Meghan and Harry pay off Frogmore

trisher you are now using 1950’s housewife as an insult.

Kate has many charities for whom she works, she doesn’t bore
everyone with plans to save the world, she doesn’t and never
had moaned ‘no one asked if I was ok’.

Did only 1950’s housewives have good relationships with her
family and her husband’s family , did they shack up with several men moving on when they found a man who could
further their ambitions.

Just what is so wrong in enjoying photography and gardening ?

Kate speaks to young mothers about being a mother for the
first time, Meg sends ‘you are loved’ on bananas to street
workers .

I'd forgotten about the bananas but I do remember Harry's face looking somewhat embarrassed.

So a woman who is completely kept by her husband's money (some of it the taxpayers) who comes from a very affluent family is praised for her independence, but someone who worked her way through college, made her own money, whose mother is a social worker is accused of "living off men"!
There is nothing wrong with my feminism. I happen to think women who have brains, are educated and attain positions in society should use those things to further the cause and not to set things back 50 years or more. One member of the RF who has managed to do that is Anne, who didn't give up riding or eventing when she married. I know how much everyone approves of her.

trisher Your argument doesn't make sense. Kate's family worked extremely hard for their money..... they are affluent now but they were mocked in the press for their previous jobs.

Kate hasn't given up her hobbies, the same as Anne didn't give up hers .... but small children take up time and effort, even if you have a nanny on the scene. Kate has got her own kitchen so that she can cook privately for the children and William (it was in the press a few years ago because she was labelled "Two Kitchens Kate")

It seems that you think that Kate's photography, gardening, cooking, mental health and motherhood charities don't compare to Anne's horse riding.

In my view Kate has got it right. William has been dumped by his brother from whom he would have been anticipating support when he has to take on the role of King. Kate has stepped up to the plate to support him and the RF, to play an active role in mothering her children, the youngest of whom is only a toddler, and to support charities.

And the best bit is that she doesn't preach a lot of Californian claptrap and tell other people what they should be doing whilst doing the opposite herself.

The problem is, Meghan did not work her way through college, her father paid all her school fees and college fees, and even paid off her student loans. Meghan’s father has regularly spoken of this, so it comes down to who you believe. I believe him, I don’t think Meghan paid her own school fees or college fees.
Meghan has shown a pattern of using men and their money to further her own ambitions.

What on Earth has her ‘mother is a social worker’ got to do
with it ?

Oh you mean her mother wasn’t a air hostess ?

Why does everything have to be measured on achievement or performance?
Meghan is more vocal than Kate, she is of course trained in the art of acting, but what she says is no more sincere or valuable than Kate's opinions on motherhood or photography. Wasn't it Shakespeare who said empty vessels reverb the hollowest?

Duchess of Cambridge (Kate Middleton for anyone with occasional title-blindness), who is going in for early childhood development. The BBC has dutifully stressed Kate’s professional-level seriousness: “She has built up an expertise and wants to prevent the same problems affecting the same families generation after generation.” Pre-lockdown, for instance, the duchess, on her quest to prevent the same problems affecting the same families generation after generation, spent “over an hour at a daycare in Cardiff, south Wales”. A royal reporter said she “joined in a drawing session with the pre-schoolers and visited an outdoor play area, where she met the centre’s guinea pigs”.And yes, almost certainly these animals survived the royal visit. To begin with, it was out of season.
ha Ha it makes me laugh all the work the RF do

Ellianne

I'd forgotten about the bananas but I do remember Harry's face looking somewhat embarrassed.

How could you forget? They’re mentioned on every m and h thread

Anniebach

What on Earth has her ‘mother is a social worker’ got to do
with it ?

Oh you mean her mother wasn’t a air hostess ?

Anniebach that would appear to be right, otherwise why mention it at all. My kind of feminism respects women for their own actions and attitudes, not their family background.

Oh trisher there it is in your post, that dreadful phrase "women should" ?

Ellianne
I'd forgotten about the bananas but I do remember Harry's face looking somewhat embarrassed.
How could you forget? They’re mentioned on every m and h thread.

Sorry Lucca, I must have slipped up there, (on a banana skin).

We should admire the daughter of a social worker but not
the daughter of a air hostess, we should do much it seems,

let’s start with Meg, she should shut up about saving the world,
writing on bananas and flying around the world on private
jets.

Illte no part of feminism says you can't have expectations for women. There are things everyone should do in order to build a better society.
janipat My kind of feminism respects women for their own actions and attitudes,but not it seems actresses who make millions and have a track record of supporting women's charities.

Yes, a better society ? Start with apologising for calling women
bitter old crones ?

Writing ‘you are loved’ on bananas for prostitutes in front on tv cameras is supporting women’s charities, those bananas were for a woman’s charity.

I think you are enjoying yourself trisher defending Meg,

There's a world of difference between "women" can and "women should".

It seems to me you're just exchanging one kind of tyranny for another.

If there's any kind of should it's that women should be able to make their own choices

But a bit off piste. Debate for another thread maybe

trisher are you ever going to address the points made up thread? Your bile constantly poured out to Catherine is so tedious. Can you refer to my post where I have disrespected Meghan, obviously not because I haven't. I wonder why you think I should value Meghan more because she's made millions over somebody who hasn't? She has more value because her mother was a social worker not cabin crew? She has kept her own interests, but you know Catherine hasn't?
An awful lot of people that are working to build a better society are poorly paid, or volunteers, or the daughters of people employed in menial jobs and are doing it quietly without the fanfare or publicity either of these two women get. Is there really a hierarchy in your feminism determined by family background and earnings?

It appears that some people are impressed by some family backgrounds. Some people are impressed by families who they see as making the right choices. The right choices would apparently include being a social worker opposed to being flight crew.

Women should, rather than women could. An interesting slip of phrase there.

If you’re going to try to make an rational argument for having a symbolic head of states – someone who’s role it is to lift moral, to inspire and set an example – then a crisis like covid is time for them to SHOW THEIR WORTH.

Yet the Windsor family have been as much use as an inflatable dart board.

What do you think they should (oh there's that word again) be doing Grany?

I just ask because that's how I feel about politicians and clergy and yet when I was challenged I couldn't actually think what they could be doing in practical terms.

Given that the Queen and Charles are oldies I guess they are just trying to stay out of trouble, like me. Its my best contribution.

Does "should" not imply a sort of duty? Meghan and Harry "should" be there to help William and Kate. They ought to be supportive.
The fact that they "could" run away from it, and did, is their personal choice. We accept that bit even if we disapprove.
Similarly, if you say women "should" it sounds like women "must", ie. it is their duty to. A bit of the finger wagging, only one way is right attitude.

How does not giving up horse riding when married further the cause of feminism ?

I await Catherine’s advice on the educational benefits of taking your child to an ordinary shooting party. Counting the dead birds and then subtracting the number from the amount of used cartridges perhaps.

There is no evidence that Kate and George were at the shoot. We went through all this on another thread.

BTW. They're not called shooting parties. The word party is a collective noun.