Today's Commons debate

Agree grow. The return to school and work are the drivers of the increased demand along with lack of sufficient planning for these entirely predictable outcomes.

lemongrove

If I said that Whitewave had just said that I should go and boil my head ( she may think it!?) when in fact her actual words were ‘don’t be silly’ then I would be paraphrasing....
But it wouldn’t be the truth!

It might have been

lemongrove

Just seen on the news that 27% of those wanting ( and presumably getting) tests have no symptoms at all.

My hairdressers son is a month into recovery from covid. He is doing his doctorate in London and sharing a flat with 4 others. Initially one of his flat mates had some mild symptoms was tested positive. None of the others showed a single symptom, but they all decided to get tested. All tested positive.

So it is rubbish to suggested those with no symptoms should not be tested.

Jaberwok

Perhaps if people hadn't flagrantly broken the Covid rules back along during the summer perhaps we wouldn't be in this position now! I think we all saw the beaches, raves, demos etc! It was obvious what would happen!

But it's going back to school and work which has driven the numbers upwards (and the families - including grandparents - breaking the rules).

I hate blame games!

Well what more can I say ? JRM did not say what Femi said he did nor do I think he even implied those sentiments. What he (JRM) did was try to bat away the seriousness of the testing issue and that does him no credit whatsoever.

If I said that Whitewave had just said that I should go and boil my head ( she may think it!?) when in fact her actual words were ‘don’t be silly’ then I would be paraphrasing....
But it wouldn’t be the truth!

suziewoozie

WW the testing fiasco pudding has got plenty of eggs in it as it is and adding more using inflammatory language actually detracts from the serious issues in and around it.

I couldn’t disagree more.

Just seen on the news that 27% of those wanting ( and presumably getting) tests have no symptoms at all.

lemongrove

Then Femi shouldn’t be ‘paraphrasing’ but repeating his words verbatim.

Don’t be silly

WW the testing fiasco pudding has got plenty of eggs in it as it is and adding more using inflammatory language actually detracts from the serious issues in and around it.

Then Femi shouldn’t be ‘paraphrasing’ but repeating his words verbatim.

suziewoozie

Femi’s tweet is hybrrbolic rubbish. JRM was referring to people carping in about the testing problems. He was obnoxious, condescending, patronising and misleading but he didn’t say what Femi said he did.

Femi was paraphrasing as you are undoubtedly aware. But I entirely agree with his sentiments.

The test and trace system is a disaster. People with a disease that could potentially kill them or be spread to others can’t get tested. They can’t work so are in many cases without income to feed their families and unable to return to work because they can’t get tested.

The relevant clip is available on Sky News twitter feed.

Or even hyperbolic

Femi’s tweet is hybrrbolic rubbish. JRM was referring to people carping in about the testing problems. He was obnoxious, condescending, patronising and misleading but he didn’t say what Femi said he did.

netflixfan

Scuze me QuizQueen! You can be a leftie and not like the E U!

Absolutely netflix? and as the ‘red wall’ showed in the last GE, so very many Labour voters ( in the past) voted for Johnson this time round, for that very reason.

Perhaps if people hadn't flagrantly broken the Covid rules back along during the summer perhaps we wouldn't be in this position now! I think we all saw the beaches, raves, demos etc! It was obvious what would happen!

Whitewavemark2

What bastards they are

Millionaire Jacob Rees-Mogg, back after saying that only idiots died in Grenfell, now says people need to stop "carping" on about potentially suffering from a deadly disease or not having the wages their family needs, because they can't get a test to clear them for work.
Femi.

Do you have a link to the above JRM statement please Whitewavemark2.

Many thanks.

What bastards they are

Millionaire Jacob Rees-Mogg, back after saying that only idiots died in Grenfell, now says people need to stop "carping" on about potentially suffering from a deadly disease or not having the wages their family needs, because they can't get a test to clear them for work.
Femi.

Dinahmo

Maizie Thank you for that post. I'm not sure that even on GN most people are aware how we are viewed by other countries, especially those in the EU.

Yes, thank you MaizieD
Dinahmo I think its even worse than that, I think many people don't care how other countries see us.

Scuze me QuizQueen! You can be a leftie and not like the E U!

MaizieD

I don't think that the EU has any intention of walking away. They're not daft. They know that Johnson needs them to do that to justify 'no deal' and to claim a victory over it.

They’ve nothing to lose. They have made sure that they are secure economically, and there is nothing that they buy from us that can’t be sourced from either within the EU or from other Countries with which they have negotiated a deal.

I don't think that the EU has any intention of walking away. They're not daft. They know that Johnson needs them to do that to justify 'no deal' and to claim a victory over it.

A "Downing Street source" has apparently said that Johnson will go in the New Year after he's "got brexit done".

It looks like this latest outrage is a deliberately provocative attempt to get the EU to walk away, making it easier to blame them for the disaster of no-deal.

Maizie Thank you for that post. I'm not sure that even on GN most people are aware how we are viewed by other countries, especially those in the EU.