Moving Covid +ve elderly into Care Homes *again*

The plural of one anecdote is not data. The data is the number of care homes that had outbreaks many of which were triggered by C+ residents discharged from hospitals

"Had" is the pertinent word here. Past tense. I'm not disputing what happened earlier in the pandemic. I'm just wondering out loud what the news item highlighted in this thread is really about. I don't believe it's about dumping dying people in care homes to make space in hospitals. I think hospitals are being under-used at the moment, though there are encouraging signs in my health region of Scotland that things are getting back to normal.

*dying or COVID positive

I hope that my Mums care home refuse to accept Covid positive patients like they did during the earlier crisis. My mum was discharged from hospital to her care home ( very apparent she could no longer live independently) but had to have a negative test and then go into 14 days isolation. The home would not have accepted her if her test had been positive.

I'm rather cynical about why some homes accepted positive patients as at the time hospital discharges had their fees paid by the NHS from a special Covid fund - at a greatly enhanced rate! For example, mum will be self funding so would pay £1000 a week at a dementia care home. The fund are giving the home £1400 for her place - payments began at the end of April and are still ongoing. Mums home is a 'not for profit' organisation so that's possibly why they stuck to their principles of not admitting positive patients.

By the way, I have no need to google Karol Sikora. I follow what he has to say directly, as I said. At the moment he is encouraging (begging) people with possible cancer symptoms to go see their GPs. This seems to me to be a good doctorly sort of thing to do.

Safer to judge people by what they do than by what wikipedia or other sources might have to say about them, don't you think?

Those who do not believe the worst of this government are doomed to be sorely disappointed. Quite frankly they are a lying incompetents s**tstorm.

Baggs

By the way, I have no need to google Karol Sikora. I follow what he has to say directly, as I said. At the moment he is encouraging (begging) people with possible cancer symptoms to go see their GPs. This seems to me to be a good doctorly sort of thing to do.

Safer to judge people by what they do than by what wikipedia or other sources might have to say about them, don't you think?

Ah well! Personally, I don't believe all cowboys say and refer to be more discerning, but it's up to you.

Do you actually know what he does and has done?

It will never change. Until staff are given professional training and have a union or professional body looking after their needs - training and provisions of equipment and a proper decent pay structure - it will never change.

Elaine1, I think you are right. That said, I do know carers who have had proper training and who work to a high level of conscientiousness. They are employed by a Scottish charity some of whose funding comes from local authorities.

This is all you need to know about the vast majority of care homes and why they’ll take C+ patients . There’s not a snowballs chance in hell of the sector improving

Forgot the link
www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/19/84-of-care-home-beds-in-england-owned-by-private-firms

* There may be a spike in cases. I don't think there is, as yet, a corresponding rise in hospitalisations and deaths*

Yes, there is already a corresponding rise in hospital admissions. Look at the stats. And a rise in deaths will follow baggs that is simple logic, especially when the virus filters through to the elderly and the vulnerable.

PS you don’t wait until it happens then suddenly think ‘oh yes, I remember now this was exactly what happened a few months ago’ - unless of course you are Typhoid Dido or Baffled Boris.