Starmer's speech to the virtual LP conference

You may well be right there Urmstongran. I see Gransnet have deleted it now, so it must have been dodgy.

Ah. That surely explains what is happening these days Casdon. Old threads are a handy hook. They don’t highlight a message from the hijackers but mingle ...

I think the link posted that reopened the thread might be dodgy, I’ve just reported it.

This thread was opened 14 months ago!
Strange how many old threads are being resurrected these days‼️
Irrelevant now?

Illte

It is a good speech. I don't doubt he means it. He comes over well.

But it hasn't won me back yet.

I'm not convinced he's got control of the Labour Party. The antisemitism was a major issue for me.

I still think if the LP won an election he'd be put on his ear and the antisemitic group back in control.

I wish your post had focused on the positive things he wanted WWM2. The endless government bashing has just become tedious and puts me off rather than bringing me back. I can see what's going wrong for myself. I want to know how it can be put right.

I didn't - have never- voted Tory. But the last election left me and my family with nobody to vote for.

We're the ones you've got to convince.

Given that you hate endless government bashing can you tell me what they’ve actually done that’s good just to balance things up….imo it’s impossible to mention the government without criticising them. How can Keir be anti Semitic when his wife is Jewish?

Germany, Netherlands going back into lockdown in the news tonight, and are heading into a fourth wave. Although stricter rules, than us, masks still mandatory, cases are rising and family say it’s going to get tighter, with confirmation of vaccination proof having to be shown for entry to restaurants etc. Not sure in the long run they have done much better.

Labour and electoral reform: rage against the machine

The party’s high command clings on to first-past-the-post in order to impose and police a controlling “us or them” choice on its supporters. It is living in the past, and British progressives of every stripe will soon pay the price

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/labour-and-electoral-reform-rage-against-the-machine-proportional-representation-conference

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Just not winning any General Elections.?

You're Welcome trisher yes plenty of socialists about.

Grany thanks for posting that. It really re-affirmed my belief that Labour values still matter.

Starmer did say he was very much pro Israel Iam64

tribunemag.co.uk/2020/09/labour-disconnected

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Keir Starmer

Starmer talked about his family during the Hustings in the lead up to the leadership contest. He said he tries to keep Vridsy free of engagements so he can be with his family as they keep Shabat. Inevitably, some accused him of being one sided on the s Isreali -Palestine issue. Doesn’t take long does it, to raise its head.

Grany - thanks for explaining that your sentence applied to the right-wing of both parties. It is not just right-wingers who are capable of being anti-semitic, by the way.

You haven't responded to my point about the undermining of Jeremy Corbyn being allegations at this stage, not facts. I assume you know the difference between the two?

Shaz1965 - you are right that there is a separate investigation being carried out. It will investigate the leaked anti-Semitism report on staff and the investigation will cover the contents and the circumstances of the report’s release.

Iam64

Criticising the current Isreali government isn’t AS. Denying there has been a problem with AS in the Labour Party in recent years flies in the face of the evidence.

....but the deniers are still here!

Parsley I didn’t know that ( about Starmers wife and family being Jewish.)

Ramblingrose22

Grany - you have said:

"Now as we know there was the right or centrists in the Party working against Jeremy and not as they should dealing with the antisemitism cases."

I thought these were allegations and that they were not proven yet. I heard that the leaked report that contained such allegations had been quoted from selectively and out of context. Others claim this is untrue.

Hopefully the report from the EHRC, which has been investigating allegations of anti-semitism in the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn, will uncover what was actually going on and lay the matter to rest.

Until then, it is surely premature to say "we know" as you have done.

I believe there are two investigations going on within the Labour Party at present. One is being carried out by the EHRC and is looking at antisemitism in the party, while another is looking at the alleged behaviour of staff within the party offices in acting against Jeremy Corbyn.

The two inquiries are not linked, as far as I am aware?

Rambling. The sentence describes both Parties right wing.

Boring but true.

The right do not care about antisemitism or do anything about it, antisemitism was weaponised to attack Jeremy Corbyn and keep the right wing of Party and press happy.

From what I can see hear from people they are not happy with way Starmer is running the Party. I have my doubts too but it still remains to be seen how he will do as leader.

I would guess that Starmer has a personal interest in addressing antisemitism in the Labour Party as his wife and children are Jewish.

Grany - ooh - a "political" Cabinet - heaven forbid! How dare they be political? Who do they think they are and what on earth do they think they should be doing!

Your first sentence describes Johnson's Cabinet to a T, only you've only you've missed out the word "incompetent".

As for "Ms Swindon", I'm just as entitled to my opinion as she is. She loved Jeremy Corbyn and I didn't so now Keir Starmer is her new enemy. It's all so boringly predictable......

Criticising the current Isreali government isn’t AS. Denying there has been a problem with AS in the Labour Party in recent years flies in the face of the evidence.

A political cabinet with a proven track record of sabotage, dishonesty and incapability, from top to bottom.

rachaelswindon.blogspot.com/2020/09/starmers-labour-standard-bearers-for.html?spref=tw

Grany - you have said:

"Now as we know there was the right or centrists in the Party working against Jeremy and not as they should dealing with the antisemitism cases."

I thought these were allegations and that they were not proven yet. I heard that the leaked report that contained such allegations had been quoted from selectively and out of context. Others claim this is untrue.

Hopefully the report from the EHRC, which has been investigating allegations of anti-semitism in the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn, will uncover what was actually going on and lay the matter to rest.

Until then, it is surely premature to say "we know" as you have done.

Let's get this straight Jeremy Corbyn fought against racism all forms of racism including antisemitism all his life. When he became leader he put in measures reforms to eradicate antisemitism from the the Party. Jeremy Corbyn is a decent man.

Let's see if Starmer proves himself able.

There was a backlog of cases left behind by Ian McNicol With Jenny Formby n charge there were very few, more in Tory party as well as Islamaphobia and society as a whole. Now as we know there was the right or centrists in the Party working against Jeremy and not as they should dealing with the antisemitism cases. And as far as the Palestinian cause is concerned I know Israel has a lot to answer for. Lemon

www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/israel/palestine

Of course there are supporters of the Palestinian cause working to establish human rights in Palestine lemon and trying to attract support. However I don't label people who disagree with them whereas there are people who use the term anti-semitic to describe those who are concerned about Israeli influence. It really diminishes something which has historically caused dreadful suffering to use the term for political ends.

Starmer will, with any luck, root out all the overt anti-semitism within the LP ....nothing much he can do if it’s hidden of course.It flourished under Corbyn but that’s history now. Bring it into the light and stamp on it.