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‘........if you’re not royal, you could eventually become ‘wonderful for your age’ or even a ‘national treasure’.........’

Good heavens, I certainly hope not, not in my case anyway! I’m not sure I’ll ever be anyone’s treasure, and certainly not a national one.

As someone said earlier, at age 21, the Queen vowed to do her duty her whole life, whether it be long or short.

Well, it has been a long life, she might have died 20 or so years ago, but she didn’t. So she is still keeping that vow. The fact that she’s 94 and sits down for Trooping the Colour is no big deal really. Let’s face it, she used to ride side saddle, no mean feat, but we don’t expect her to do that either.

Nothing wrong with retirement, the D of E retired, but he didn’t make that vow.

If Charles and others are stepping up to take on more roles, well it will be good practice for the future.

My opinion is that the Queen should retire, but as Annie points out, she will never do that as she made a promise that she intends to keep. I might have been wrong about her believing in the divine right of kings, although I thought I’d read somewhere that she does. It may be because she made her promise in church before God, and she was anointed with holy oil during her coronation. I was only three months old then so I only know what I’ve been told or read.

I have a foot in both camps of the monarchy re republic argument. I see the benefits and drawbacks of both.

I certainly don’t dislike older women, thank you Annie for that. After all, I am one. An older woman that is.

Just because the Queen remain seated during the trooping doesn't mean that she is mentally incapable! She rides out most days in private old as she is! She hasn't ridden at the trooping since the death of her horse Burmese in 1986 when she was 60! 11 years younger than her heir and hardly old age!

Jaberwok no one said that she was mentally incapable. The Regent Act includes physical incapacity as a reason for the introduction of a regency.

Fair enough maddyone! I was 10 at the coronation and remember it very well! Filthy wet cold day and hours of telly!!
I remember in the evening being taken by my stepfather to the bun tbrowing from the Town Hall , and a whole Ox being roasted in the market square. You queued for a slice of said beef and put it in the bun you'd caught and ate it!!! The crowds were enormous or so it seemed! and the cheering never seemed to stop!! I was also given a silver 5/- coin, a coronation mug, and a model of the royal coach complete with horses with the new Queen and Prince Phillip inside! Truly a day to remember!

The 1937 regency act states clearly that to declare the monarch incapable of performing royal functions is quite a performance. Being seated for the trooping would not be even remotely a reason, as this duty can be carried out perfectly competently either sitting on a horse,or in a carriage

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As far as HMQ's promise goes it could be that the country would be best served by her stepping down, so it would be entirely in keeping with it. It is a wise person who realises when it is time to let go and allows things to move on.

Very true trisher.

Why on earth would she do that? She walks without a stick, she rides out regularly, she's not mentally impaired and there's no one apart from republicans who want her to!

Nobody wants the Queen to abdicate!

Apart from those who'd rather not have a RF

I think it would be very sad to see the Queen coming out of isolation looking frail and doddery. She has always appeared sprightly for her age, immaculately turned out and mentally alert. Any less than that would surely not be acceptable to her.

Well I don’t particularly want a republic because I can see the advantages and the disadvantages to both systems, but I feel sorry for Charles, who has waited so long for his assigned role in life. Plus she’s already very old, although apparently in excellent health, but the only way is down now. She is truly amazing for her age, but I wonder how many more would be in such good health if they had lived the life she has lived. It can’t just be genes because Prince Philip is the same. The only ones who die younger are the ones who smoked, Princess Margaret and the Queen’s father.

The RF are all great users of homeopathy, maddyone.

I think the one reason, though I know made promise, she has kept going as head of state is she knows she is popular people respect her more than Charles. He doesn't keep out of politics lobbied for own interests letters eventually made public show this. She will prob keep going as long as able to keep the monarchy stable. Different when PC is or isn't king

Though I think at her age or earlier she should have handed over But much better if we could have a say choosing our Head of State instead of from one family Charles Charles Charles or Charles

Why should she step down ? She doesn’t travel abroad now and has to sit down for trouping the colour , she is quite capable of carrying out her duties as monarch.

Seems republicans are using her age as a excuse .

Is age the excuse when any of us retire? Isn't it normal to move on in life? The Queen Mum was probably the most popular royal, yet in later life she did very little except drink and gamble. Freed from her duties HMQ could follow her horses, spend time doing things she enjoys. She could still be trotted out on the odd state occasion if she fancied it. All you royalists really want your pound of flesh from her don't you.

But the QM wasn’t the Queen Trisher.
She was only Queen Consort because her husband became king. She’d have remained plain old Duchess of York if Edward V111 hadn’t abdicated.

Our present Queen would still have ended up as Queen though.

The Queen is not there to be trotted out

That's exactly right Calendergirl. The QM never had any position in her own right,only through her husband the King. Once he died her position died too. The Queens is hers by right until she dies unless she were to abdicate, which she won't why should she? There's only been one in a thousand years, I can't imagine HM will make it two!! George 111rd was king until he died even though he was mentally unfit for years. Prinny was only the Regent until the poor old king drew his last breath. Regent is the best Charles can hope for, as for certain he won't be king till his mother dies.

Sadly I think you’re right Jaberwok, she won’t retire or abdicate because of the promise she made. She could very well live into her 100s as her mother did. However I think having a Head of State in her 90s or even 100s is ridiculous, even though she is absolutely marvellous for her age, much more able than my mother who is 92, and she’s pretty good for her age.
Anyway it doesn’t make any difference what any of us think, Queen Elizabeth will do exactly as she wants to, and she wants to be our monarch for her whole life, whether it’s long or short, as she promised in church on her coronation day.

That's where you and I would have to agree to differ. I admire th Queen tremendously, always have, perhaps due to Coronation day and that bun!! There aren't many people in high places who keep promises or who remain steadfast for 67 minutes never mind years! I see her as a beacon of stability in a very unstable world, and will be very sad when she she goes.

All you royalists really want your pound of flesh from her don't you.

Not me, trisher. I think she should have handed over to Charles when Philip retired.

She was a very young woman when she made the vow to serve her country all her life and couldn't possible have known how much the world would change.

We'll have to stick with things the way they are now though, unless she dies because the monarchy is very much on hold while coronavirus calls the shots.