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Liberal Democrat Party On-line Conference

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varian Fri 25-Sept-20 18:37:22

The LibDem on-line conference starts today

twitter.com/LibDemConf/status/1309474476409618438

varian Tue 29-Sept-20 15:35:56

We've just passed a motion at #LDConf calling on the UK Government to uphold the promises that we made to the people of Hong Kong.

Hong Kong's Future- It is our duty to protect and support the rights of the people of Hong Kong. We can’t set that duty aside when Hong Kong needs us most.

libdems.org.uk

varian Tue 29-Sept-20 11:10:14

The point is that a thread on women's rights and transgender issues is likely to be of interest to GNetters who have not taken an interest in the LibDem online conference, or indeed any party conference. If you want to start

a wider debate perhaps it should be on another forum.

Blossoming Tue 29-Sept-20 10:13:44

varian

Blossoming if this issue is so very important to you, I think it would be good for you to start a thread on this subject. It is important, but not the most important political issue for most of us.

Well that’s me told! Women are 52% of the population, but their rights not that important...
It’s

janipat Tue 29-Sept-20 00:42:26

varian

Blossoming if this issue is so very important to you, I think it would be good for you to start a thread on this subject. It is important, but not the most important political issue for most of us.

varian do you suggest a separate thread for every political issue? Or is it just the feminist ones?

Galaxy Mon 28-Sept-20 18:38:07

I caught most of the speech and quite liked it, would have probably liked more of a drawing a line under the past, but really liked the stuff about we are not a pressure group we need to win elections.

M0nica Mon 28-Sept-20 18:17:32

If Ed Davey is such a great leader, why haven't we had more evidence of it in the months he was acting leader?

varian Mon 28-Sept-20 17:59:09

Blossoming if this issue is so very important to you, I think it would be good for you to start a thread on this subject. It is important, but not the most important political issue for most of us.

Blossoming Mon 28-Sept-20 17:56:15

varian

I am sure that many members of the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party disagree with the policy of gender self identification and it is quite likely that the parties will revisit the subject and put forward more nuanced policies.

In the meantime there are so many other important political decisions to be made if we want to see a better society in the future.

It may be too late to halt the erosion of women’s and children’s rights by the time they recognise what an enormous error self ID, medicalisation of children and the TRA agenda have been.

varian Mon 28-Sept-20 17:46:39

For those of who who think that all politicians are like Johnson and Trump, this is what an honest decent political leader is like.

www.libdems.org.uk/livestream?utm_campaign=ed_speech_a20&utm_medium=email&utm_source=libdems

varian Mon 28-Sept-20 12:15:24

Research on small parties has found that there are two main issues facing small parties in all parliaments: a lack of resources and a lack of visibility. Resource problems can be seen in parties’ finances – poor electoral performance manifests itself in fewer donations from big business or wealthy individuals (see the latest donation figures reported to the Electoral Commission and how donations to the smaller parties are dwarfed by those to Labour and the Conservatives). It also brings a smaller ‘short money’ grant (the public funding given to opposition parties to enable them to scrutinise the government properly in parliament). Poor visibility can be the result of chamber design (with no designated despatch box from which to speak), procedural rules which privilege the larger parties in terms of guaranteed, full-length speeches and outside observers, particularly the media, who have little appetite to hear arguments made in parliament beyond those by the largest two or three parties. The party says on its own website that you probably won’t hear about the work of its MPs on the ten o’clock news.

Davey’s parliamentary leadership so far demonstrates this well. He waited nearly three weeks to make his Commons debut as leader, making a short, three-minute speech during the Second Reading of the controversial Internal Market Bill, waiting for over three hours in the Commons in order to do so. The same week he was called at Prime Minister’s Questions, pressing Boris Johnson for reassurances around care for disabled people during coronavirus restrictions, but he had not been called at all on the previous two Wednesdays.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/libdems-parliamentary-impact/

varian Mon 28-Sept-20 11:50:51

Ed Davey has a really big opportunity to talk about not only the people who are helping us through coronavirus, but also about a vision for how we come out of it as well.” -

twitter.com/LibDems/status/1310526362210492416?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

M0nica Sun 27-Sept-20 21:49:44

I am sorry Varian. It is all excuses, excuses, excuses. Other small parties get heard Plaid Cymru, Caroline Lucas of the Green Party. If they can do it, the LIb Dems can.

varian Sun 27-Sept-20 20:16:24

Today the Liberal Democrat conference called for the Government to protect the UK in its Brexit negotiations. They must put country before Party or Leave alliances, and work for the best Brexit deal for Britain. We’re calling on the government to:

Honour the commitments it made in the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration

Protect and where possible enhance the rights of UK citizens in the EU and vice versa

Respect the European Convention on Human Rights and Charter of Fundamental Rights for all UK citizens

Maintain the closest possible alignment with the EU towards the customs union, single market and freedom of movement

varian Sun 27-Sept-20 17:14:35

It can be very difficult for a LibDem MP, even the party leader to get the opportunity to speak out in parliament because of the grossly unrepresentative FPTP voting sustem which resulted in the SNP gaining 48 seats on the basis of 3.9% of the vote whilst the LibDems gained only 11 seats having got 11,5% of the votes.

Here is an example of a clear loud voice - that of Health spokesman Munira Wilson, speaking out against the disgraceful performance of the Tory government.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/a1285095-Liberal-Democrat-Party-On-line-Conference?msgid=28200562#28200562

Urmstongran Sun 27-Sept-20 17:13:50

The LibDems are a busted flush. Waste of a vote really, always were and more so now. In my opinion.

Galaxy Sun 27-Sept-20 17:01:55

I think you have to be a little patient (I speak as someone fairly cross with the lib dems) they have an absolute mountain to climb in terms of returning to a liberal party but there are signs in their favour, the choice of leader was a start, if they had voted for layla moran it would have been the end. They would need to rethink completely their position on women for me to vote for them again, it's not just self id ( that battle seems to be over anyway for the moment) its prostitution, porn, safeguarding etc but I can see slight glimmers that they may be coming to their senses.

M0nica Sun 27-Sept-20 16:01:53

Varian I am sorry but pious statements from the Liberal Dem conference that are totally without any substance are not worth the paper they are written on or air time they occupy .

It is clear loud voices speaking out in Parliament and pointing out in detail the failure of the government strategy, sorry, total lack of a strategy and what should be done that are needed,

The Mail on Sunday today is full of anti-Tory rhetoric from front to back, page after page of people like Lord Sumption describing how totally incompetent this government is, the flaws in its policy on COVID and everything else. For heavens sake if a pro-Tory newspaper can do it, why cannot the Lib Dems?

Blossoming Sun 27-Sept-20 15:18:43

janipat

They've had my vote in the past, but while they're determined to throw women under the bus ( along with Labour and the Greens) they can go whistle! I've never felt so homeless with my vote before sad, it comes to something when the Conservatives are dong more than the rest!

Same here.

paddyanne Sun 27-Sept-20 14:26:33

look back at it he said He said he wanted IT to remain a part of England unless they broadcast different stuff up here which is highly unlikely .My OH paused it and played it back he was so incensed by it

varian Sun 27-Sept-20 13:59:16

You are misquoting Ed Davey paddyanne. He certainly did not say the he wanted Scotland to remain part of England. He said that he wanted Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom as it is now.

Mamardoit Sun 27-Sept-20 13:27:37

Unionists are not English nationalists paddyanne.

I am not Scottish but I have never thought Scotland was anything but a separate country with its own history etc.. So no need to point anything out.

If Scotland vote for independence that's up to them. England will do very nicely without Scotland. It won't just be Scotland's boarder, it will be England's to manage to its advantage. And it wouldn't be long before public sector jobs serving the whole UK relocate leaving just Scottish customers.

paddyanne Sun 27-Sept-20 12:51:17

May I just point out that Scotland was a country for hundreds of years BEFORE the union .That we steeped in our OWN history ,have our own culture ,our own Church,systems of Education and Law and even though some decry it language .

We are not and bever have been A PART of England .and the new "Sir" in charge of the Lib Dumbs would do well to understand that .Scots like Varian may be happy to lose our identity but the rise in support for Independence shows that it is coming

paddyanne Sun 27-Sept-20 12:46:35

They ARE English nationalists...note the new leaders remark today on Andrew Marr that he wont allow Scotland a referendum as he prefers it (Scotland) to remain a PART of England .Couldn't be any clearer could it? They had the chance along with the Scottish NATIONAL party and labour to speak out fr UBI in Westminster ...they didn't do it.Now they want everyone to think they just had this fabulous idea!!

Mamardoit Sat 26-Sept-20 21:15:59

Would you prefer English Nationalists paddyanne?

paddyanne Sat 26-Sept-20 21:08:59

Sadly they didn't work WITH the party who was pushing for it Varian and now when it suits them and they cant do anything about it they'll trumpet it as THEIR idea .Another party who toe the WM line as unionists yet cant see their way to backing the ELECTED members of the SNP in any vote .NOT so unionist then ,BRIT nats ...the worst kind of nationalism .