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Patel would have us return to the Nineteenth Century

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Sept-20 08:54:31

Ascension Island was her first choice to transport those people fleeing war and famine. 4000 miles away.

Obviously not far enough for Patel, as that has been abandoned.

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 14:19:34

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Alegrias Sun 04-Oct-20 14:23:24

migrants, some first generation born and educated in Britain.

If they were born here they aren't migrants. Is there another word you really wanted to use Sparkling? What a shocking attitude.

Welshwife Sun 04-Oct-20 14:37:04

Were all those men single Sparkle? Most unlikely.
People who do these depraved things need to be found, exposed and punished whatever their background .

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 14:46:01

Alegrias - Your obviously shocked, not by the horror of a young migrant woman being abused and murdered, but by my refusal to invite a male alien culture subscribing to such views being invited to my country.

Alegrias Sun 04-Oct-20 14:59:37

Sparkling, you keep referring to British people from what was a predominantly South Asian background as migrants, they aren't migrants, they are British. Including the victims. I'm not going to defend myself against your statement because its obviously silly.

As far a predominance of migrants being male, 53% were adult males in 2019. Hardly an overwhelming proportion.

Alegrias Sun 04-Oct-20 15:01:28

That's 53% of asylum seekers, I should have been been clearer.

grannyactivist Sun 04-Oct-20 15:02:06

Firecracker123

They are coming over on boats from France where they could have stayed and have passed through numerous countries to do so. They are mostly fit young men, what is that saying 'none so blind as they who cannot see'. I applaud Priti Patel.

'Fit young men' cannot have been tortured?
'Fit young men' cannot have been bombed?
'Fit young men' cannot have been traumatised by war?
'Fit young men' cannot have been beaten and brutalised?
'Fit young men' cannot have been forced into choosing to kill or be killed?

I personally know (and have given a home to) some of these 'fit young men' and if you could listen, as I have, to some of the things they have endured I doubt (truly hope) that you would have a greater understanding of their plight.

Barmeyoldbat Sun 04-Oct-20 15:02:14

If you were living in country that was war torn, where you wouldn't know if your children would get home safely from school. where you were in danger of being shot going out to buy food and where your husband or adult sons were at a high risk of being taken into an army to fight against their own people. If you refuse you are taken away, imprisoned and tortured. Your house, your town is constantly bombed and all your children know is the sound of gunfire. Would you stay there or would you try to move to a place of safety. The risk of leaving is high and the water is safer than the land. That says it all.
A few want to get to the UK because they speak english and have family or friends here, not for any benefits. The majority by far go to Sweden and Germany and receive far more help then we ever give them. This government is a disgrace in how it views refugees and this is lead by the biggest hypocrite of all ...Patel. As I have said many times read the book The Odyssey by Patrick Kingsley and get yourself educated.

grannyactivist Sun 04-Oct-20 15:06:01

Barmeyoldbat my son-in-law was killed in Afghanistan by a teenager who had very little choice to do otherwise without becoming a target of the Taliban himself.

If I could roll back time I'd put him on a boat to the UK myself.

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 15:09:39

Alegrias I am not asking anyone to agree with me - in truth it is a matter of indifference. My opinion, is those wishing to open my country's doors to all and sundry sufficiently consider the consequence.

MaizieD Sun 04-Oct-20 15:38:28

sparklingsilver28

Alegrias I am not asking anyone to agree with me - in truth it is a matter of indifference. My opinion, is those wishing to open my country's doors to all and sundry sufficiently consider the consequence.

We open our doors to 'all and sundry' in their thousands every year. I don't think that the question 'Are you intending to set up, or become a member of, a grooming gang?' is part of the screening process. But we've no more idea of how the 'legal' immigrants are going to behave than we have of the asylum seekers.

Condemning thousands because of the behaviour of a few is utterly ridiculous.

NB. There seems to be some confusion creeping in here as to the difference between 'migrants' and 'asylum seekers'.

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 15:45:23

MaizieD migrants/asylum seekers same applies. Not welcome if wishing to bring with them unacceptable cultural values not in keeping with Britain.

MayBee70 Sun 04-Oct-20 15:59:25

sparklingsilver28

MaizieD migrants/asylum seekers same applies. Not welcome if wishing to bring with them unacceptable cultural values not in keeping with Britain.

Not welcome by who? You don’t speak for me, sparklingsilver.

MaizieD Sun 04-Oct-20 16:04:44

sparklingsilver28

MaizieD migrants/asylum seekers same applies. Not welcome if wishing to bring with them unacceptable cultural values not in keeping with Britain.

Did you not read my post?

Do tell me, how are the authorities meant to screen for 'unacceptable cultural practices'?

You're being absurd.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Oct-20 16:17:53

sparklingsilver28

MaizieD migrants/asylum seekers same applies. Not welcome if wishing to bring with them unacceptable cultural values not in keeping with Britain.

What are Britain’s cultural values?

Barmeyoldbat Sun 04-Oct-20 16:34:13

Maybe one of the cultural values that they bring that is unacceptable is not drinking alcohol, whereas our British cultural value is to go out and get p....d and end up in A&E.

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 16:44:13

Barmeyoldbat Well noted for being tea-total so experience!

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 16:46:34

meant "no experience"

Callistemon Sun 04-Oct-20 16:57:28

sparklingsilver
You'll be relieved to hear, then, that Nujeen Mustafa is settled in Germany.
www.unhcr.org/nujeen-mustafa.html

“We felt maybe it’s our turn to die. But we didn’t want to die. So we made up our minds to leave.”
Sahar, 25, Syrian refugee in Lebanon

Barmeyoldbat Sun 04-Oct-20 17:13:09

Sparlingsilver do you mean you have no experience and therefore knowledge of the muslim cultural

Greeneyedgirl Sun 04-Oct-20 17:14:50

Many of the “migrants” you refer to sparklingsilver some of whom are U.K. citizens, are keeping our NHS and Care Homes going.

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 17:24:57

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GrannyGravy13 Sun 04-Oct-20 17:30:26

sparklingsilver28 I have Muslim, Hindu and Jewish friends, many were not born in U.K. I find your last post uninformed and frankly racist.

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 17:31:38

BarmeyoldBat Obtuse comes to mind!

sparklingsilver28 Sun 04-Oct-20 17:41:59

GrannyGravy13 - I have Muslim, Hindu and Jewish friends, many were not born in U.K. I find your last post uninformed and frankly racist.

May I advise you to be sure you understand what is being said before making unfounded comments. Your post has been reported as unacceptable.