Nicola Sturgeon upholding the rules

Furret

*But really, there's no "festering resentment*

You clearly don’t know some of the people I do then. And before you simply dismiss this as an example of ‘befuddled’ thinking you might want to consider, yet again, you do not speak for everyone and your attempt to dismiss these feeling, or your refusal to accept them, may in fact show that you do not have your finger on the pulse as much as you seem to think.

Fair enough, as you have pointed out, I don't know everyone in Scotland.

I have lived in Scotland for over 50 years, and have never found that anyone resented me. My small brother was bullied at primary school - but that was by someone who bullied any quiet lad who seemed "posher" than him, and equated an English accent with poshness. This boy was also half German (in the 1950s) and perhaps he had received treatment from his peers that made him quick to dish out the same. Bullying is infectious.

I have noticed that Scots in general don't like to be patronised, and a certain type of visiting Englishman (it is usually a man) tends to talk down to the natives.

I remember, too, being in a hotel in the Western Isles and having to share our breakfast table each morning with a Londoner someone who compared everything unfavourably with London. He had been to the Trossachs because he had heard how wonderful it was around there, but didn't think much of it - Aberfeldy was just a little town with nothing happening. When he learnt we were from Edinburgh, he kindly told us it was coming up in the world and might soon count for something. How to make friends and influence people!

Watch out! Deep-fried Mars Bar meme at two o'clock!

What an arrogant twit he was Elegran. Bet you were so relieved to hear that Edinburgh was "up and coming" weren't you!

Which nations do like being patronised?

SueDonim

Oh, my boys didn’t lie down under it, Callistemon! In fact, my oldest still has the same tight circle of friends he had when he started senior school over 30 years ago, some of whom are ardent SNP supporters, even though he’s lived in the US for nearly twenty years.

Sadly, not all Scots are as open-minded as his friends.

Mine have too, despite the fact that they arrived in Wales with London accents. It was tough for the older ones at first, but Wales will always be home for them now wherever they are in the world.

We’ve moved so many times that home is where we make it, really.

We moved a lot but not again since we came here.

LadyH talks about unthinking slights in her rather good post. We’ve been putting up with that for quite a long time, let’s just take some examples of things that have been said in this thread by SueDonim and Furret. I'm naming these posters so I don't get accused of being sneaky.

same tight circle of friends he had (….) some of whom are ardent SNP supporters Replace “ardent SNP Supporters” with e.g. “People of colour”, and try to imagine if that would be acceptable.

Sadly, not all Scots are as open-minded as his friends Ditto, with “Scots”

I don’t think there’s an equivalence between a Scot in England and vice versa. I’m not even sure what this implies, but I don't think its good.

Actually SD that was what I was wondering. That might explain a lot. I think that was a veiled attempt to say I was making things up.

If only that were true, about Scots not hating the English. What, all Scots?

There are old wounds, old hostilities and grievances still held against ‘The English". Nope, really there aren’t.

anti-English feelings especially those recently roused by the last independence referendum. Nope, misunderstood the situation entirely.

I hope people will read LadyH’s and Elegran’s posts and consider that a person’s attitude will affect how they see the world around them. There is a dwindling band of misguided folk in Scotland who think the English are the cause of all our problems. They are the minority by far, but like in any country, if you expect to find them, you will. If anyone would now like to pile in and tell me that I’m paranoid, blaming the English, whatever, then fill your boots.

Suedonim asked "Which nations do like being patronised?" to which the reply must be another question "Which nations do a lot of patronising?"

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Crikey

Unless you have lived all over Scotland SueDonim your accounts of living in Scotland and how we all think are totally meaningless as you are in no position to be the voice of Scotland adding insults to a whole nation to boot.

You don’t have to any further than this forum to discover posters who have moved here from England having a moan about their country and have happily lived here for many years.

To add; I lived in France for many years but refused to join any of the many ex pats clubs with mainly an English membership happily living in their small enclave running anything French verbally to the ground. Being Scottish didn’t always guarantee a warm welcome. Thankfully we were warmly welcomed by our French neighbours.

Alegrias

Crikey

Yes, dear. I bite back.

Unless you have lived all over Scotland SueDonim your accounts of living in Scotland and how we all think are totally meaningless as you are in no position to be the voice of Scotland adding insults to a whole nation to boot

Neither has another certain person the right to think she is the ‘voice of Scotland’ either. There are many different attitudes to the English in Scotland just as there are many different ones in England towards migrants.

That is human nature.

It is indeed human nature Furret and I can only speak of my own experiences of findings amongst other expats in other countries and although not all, many who moaned the most, praising the English way of how things should be done and refused to integrate were English which did make me wonder why they ever left.

DD2 has travelled and worked worldwide, often called Jock in an endearing manner. ?

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I don't even think of people as being English or Scottish really. Maybe because Edinburgh is a bit more cosmopolitan (up to a point!) what with all the tourists etc? I'm often asked if I'm English but I tend to answer, 'No I'm just posh!'

Furret I dont think I'm the voice of Scotland,
amongst my circle are migrants from Italy,Slovenia,Holland,India ,Pakistan the Phillipines Ireland and yes England.Its noticeable that its only some ..not all the English who constantly talk Scotland down.the too wee ,too poor ,too stupid attitude.I've seen it on here too.
.Its an arrogant inbred superiority...that isn't justified.

paddyanne I think I'm that certain person. I've been promoted. ?

I have only been to Scotland once (Edinburgh) I felt comfortable and welcome.

We do have a friend from Glasgow who after several pints we cannot understand, his answer is after several pints he cannot understand us either.

I've met one person from Glasgow who I thought was speaking a foreign language (we were abroad at the time) but I do have friends from Glasgow whom I would term 'rather posh'.
It took me a long time to understand my friend from Edinburgh as she speaks with rather a soft drawl.

As I've never been to Scotland I can only make my judgement about accents on the Scots who live in the RUK or overseas - who never seem to lose their accents.

For all you fans of Nicola based on what you may have read or heard on the news, I've just read that she has 14 full time spin doctors costing the Scottish tax payer more than £1,000,000 a year. One of them has just been given a pay rise of £20,000. With that kind of spinning going on no wonder the gullible are fooled.
Meanwhile, looks like her and her husband are going to need all the spin they can get. Interesting times...

Alegrias I doubt its you that paddyann was referring to!