Trump throwing his toys out of the pram

Sparkling

I would have thought that anyone who is interested in UK politics would almost certainly have some interest in foreign politics too, as the two frequently overlap.

As for the US, as such a large, powerful country, and one that is generally seen as particularly important to us, of course we are going to be interested in its politics.

And that's before you even factor in the Trump effect, which has turned its goings-on into a daily soap opera, with viewers across the world tuning in daily for the next shocking, barely-believable or even occasionally humerous instalment.

One thing that our American contributors have said is that the US economy is rigged in favour of the wealthy and has gradually pushed the working and middle classes into poverty and economic struggle.

The same is just as true in the U.K.. the voter has been exploited for economic and political gain. We have a political right with close ties to the American right and Trump supporters. Indeed Mogg enthusiastically supported Trump for election.

We hear the same rhetoric from our right that could have come out of the Trump stable. They push the same conspiracy fables over covid and push back against lock down. They, just like the right in USA hate taxing the wealthy. Human rights are under attack and the judiciary has been heavily criticised by those who are willing to break the rule of law.

It must stop.

As someone has already posted our democracy only survives with eternal vigilance

Thankfully most of the crowds left of their own volition which helped calm the situation down, all in all it could have been so much worse, considering that many of them would
have been armed.Phew!
I see that DT has been banned from two social media sites for 6 hours and 12 hours, better to have been for 6 and 12 days.

I do wish that the left wingers on GN would stop equating what has gone on in the US (Trump!) with Johnson and politicians here!
You’ll get your turn with Starmer at the helm next time, so stop all the hysterical references to US politics ( which is totally different to ours in any case).
Perhaps you really believe that nonsense ( hmmm, possible) but more likely just a chance to push anti-UK government rhetoric.

lemon your post is both offensive and wrong.

A white person has been shot dead whilst protesting - let’s see if 1000’s of white people start rioting and looting.

No we will keep discussing it lemongrove but thanks for your advice.

Kandinsky

A white person has been shot dead whilst protesting - let’s see if 1000’s of white people start rioting and looting.

Pretty offensive and probably racist Kandinsky

I considered starting a separate thread - but posting here.
I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist but my diagnosis is narcissistic personality disorder. People with personality disorders are more likely to develop psychosis, delusional belief systems and other m.h. problems, especially when under stress.
Or, is he just a Bond villain?
He's behaving like a villain in a superhero movie, we need batman, bond, spider man or wonder woman to swoop in and re-establish democracy.

I expect you will Galaxy but am pointing out that it’s nonsense to compare Johnson with DT .It is possible to feel amazed and horrified by Trump and his enablers and supporters without constantly equating the British government/politicians/politics with it, as am sure many others on GN would agree with.

Have you read about his childhood Iam64, he wasnt going to come out of that able to function properly in my view.

I think I have read that about Trump Iam64 and it sounds about right.
In a way, the massive disorder last night has done the US a good turn from the point of view that DT is well and truly finished now from any future possible political role.

Sparkling If your post at 07-Jan-21 07:05:00 was to defend Boris in response to my comment that anyone mentioning Hitler was always greeted by cries that "to do so was to give up on real debate", can I point out that I wasn't referring ot our PM, but to Donald Trump. His ranting has always been VERY reminiscent of Hitler's rallies.

lemongrove - you do not have to be left-wing to see the parallels with what has been happening in the UK - it is there for all, of whatever political persuasion, to see.

Galaxy - yes, like many people (mostly men) who seek high office and the power that goes with it, his childhood laid the foundations. Having a tough childhood, does not exclude people from being responsible for their actions though I agree it makes life more difficult.

Kadinsky, your offensive and racist comment has already been commented on. Are you aware that the woman who was shot is a retired member of the US military, a huge supporter of Trump. She believed the election was rigged and was opposed to "Big Government". She identified as a Patriot. Quite how that fits with breaking into the seat of government, I don't know.

Kandinsky

A white person has been shot dead whilst protesting - let’s see if 1000’s of white people start rioting and looting.

I imagine the poor woman was shot during the total chaos caused by trump supporters illegally storming the capitol en masse. She did not die after having a policeman kneel on her neck

Sorry slightly crossed posts here Iam64 but hopefully Kandinsky sees the difference now.

I can’t agree Luckygirl but as you aren’t a Conservative supporter, then you may think that way.Other views are available.

Lucca - I’m from London. I have seen what happens when a person is shot by police ( in whatever circumstances ) it has led to rioting & looting. That is a fact.
I hope it doesn’t happen in America because it is so wrong - but it happens!

Lucca the woman was shot by a policeman.

What a cartoon character of a President. No graciousness in defeat, not a shred of dignity. What is there about this narcissistic nutter that still has people supporting his crazy claims and ideas? He surely must go down as the worst President in US history. Joe Biden will take over a very divided country and I don't think he is the right man for such a task.

Be in no doubt that the Trump anti-democratic push has real support in the Tory right.

We have witnessed our sovereign parliament giving up much of its powers to ministerial decree. The Lords are being packed with Tory supporters, our public broadcasting company is being governed by an active Tory donator. Cronyism is rife just as it was in Trumps presidency, of course we live in the U.K. so the character of this will be different, but make no mistake Johnson has continually undermined the process of our government, we have witnessed this year on year. Their plan is being played out before our eyes.

It must stop.

Yes I agree it's no excuse Iam64 but it's useful to spot the patterns. I find Farage quite similar to Trump in that it is inadequacy that drives their actions.

I do not think the Hitler comparison is totally fanciful.

Hitler was a mentally deranged man who managed to pull enough people with him to take power. He did this on the back of the dissatisfaction of a large swathe of the population - in his case in the aftermath of disadvantageous settlements after the first war.

Trump too is mentally deranged and attracted the support of dissatisfied US citizens who mistakenly thought he would champion their needs. They believed that his America First litany included them, when of course the disadvantaged working class are as disadvantaged now as they were at the beginning of the Trump presidency. But, as Hitler did, Trump has them in thrall.

The fact that the Biden presidency has been endorsed is a huge relief. Let us hope that democracy will prevail and that the US public will see where blindly following a politician can lead.

A leader does not have to be sane for people to follow him/her: Hitler and Trump are clear examples of this.

In this era of social media it has become easier for deranged leaders to peddle their lies, and for rule by soundbites to become the norm.

Galaxy yes Im with you on spotting patterns. That way of thinking is endorsed by Lucky's post above. It's a pity more of the population don't spot the patterns