We need a coup

Corruption and dark money now the life blood of the Tory party

truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/corruption-and-dark-money-now-the-life-blood-of-the-tory-party/

Sincere condolences Jabberwok. Sorry to hear about your aunt, bereavements during this difficult time seem even harder

I agree we need a change in politics because whatever choice we have - Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Looney Party- - it isn't working. I'd vote for a Common Sense Party. The divide between rich and poor is growing ever wider. We need someone in government who has real hands-on experience of life and its hardships, someone who understands how business works(not big business - normal, hardworking folks' businesses), someone who has not been to public school. Someone who is willing to put the country at their heart and reason for being. And voters need to stop voting as their parents did. Only society can change politics by waking up and rejecting what we have now. We need someone committed to leading the nation but we certainly don't need another Margaret Thatcher who decimated our manufacturing industry and turned us into a country of service providers. Do we really want to live in a society where eighty two percent of the wealth is in the hands of just one percent of the population? If we - and by that I mean society as a whole - bother to get off our self-entitled, selfish backsides, there will be revolution and it won't be pretty. Bring it on for the sake of our grandchildren.

Anniezee

I agree we need a change in politics because whatever choice we have - Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Looney Party- - it isn't working. I'd vote for a Common Sense Party. The divide between rich and poor is growing ever wider. We need someone in government who has real hands-on experience of life and its hardships, someone who understands how business works(not big business - normal, hardworking folks' businesses), someone who has not been to public school. Someone who is willing to put the country at their heart and reason for being. And voters need to stop voting as their parents did. Only society can change politics by waking up and rejecting what we have now. We need someone committed to leading the nation but we certainly don't need another Margaret Thatcher who decimated our manufacturing industry and turned us into a country of service providers. Do we really want to live in a society where eighty two percent of the wealth is in the hands of just one percent of the population? If we - and by that I mean society as a whole - bother to get off our self-entitled, selfish backsides, there will be revolution and it won't be pretty. Bring it on for the sake of our grandchildren.

Oh no, Not another left winger telling us what we need. What we don't need is a country run for the benefit of those who put the least in. Margaret Thatcher was a better P.M. than many male P.M.'s of either party and a fine example to the women of this country.

GagaJo

Clearly even you think they're failing.

I am still waiting for your answer as to just what Starmer, Corbyn and Mcdonnell could do better. Perhaps like Corbyn they would just scrap all the rules and tier system and carry on going out to dinner with as many people as they pleased. The arrogance of the man is beyond belief and the hypocrisy of someone who was brought up in a mansion and went to a public school. Starmer, Mcdonnell and Abbott are just the same. They all send their children to private schools. One rule for them and another for the rest of their Labour supporters.

They all send their children to private schools.
I think that is a separate argument. Many people send their children to private schools, not because they necessarily agree with them, but because their lifestyles are logistically not conducive to having children at the local state school.

I thought Kier Starlets children attend their local state primary school. Is that not the case?

Abbott? Do you mean this guy? He's certainly arrogant and sent his kids to private schools.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54013705

Starmer, not starlet!

Ellianne

^They all send their children to private schools.^
I think that is a separate argument. Many people send their children to private schools, not because they necessarily agree with them, but because their lifestyles are logistically not conducive to having children at the local state school.

That was not the main topic of my post which you have chosen to ignore.

Alegrias2

Abbott? Do you mean this guy? He's certainly arrogant and sent his kids to private schools.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54013705

Is that the best you can do. Don't be so ridiculous. Just admit you backed the wrong horse or any other way you want admit it.

Did John MacDonnell send his children to private school? I heard that he had been sent to a private schook for two years as a child, but that was his parent's choice, not his.

Well Said Anniezee

Well Janptfor a start Corbyn McDonnell and Starmer would have properly funded the NHS so it would cope far better with the pandemic. Our NHS would NOT be on the table in trade talks with Trump. They would definitely not have given test and trace to their mates private companies which Johnson did costing billions and which have failed to deliver. So Johnson and co saying world beating far from it a total failure.

"Starmer, Mcdonnell and Abbott are just the same. They all send their children to private schools. " posted janpt.as if it was a fact.

Does anyone know whether this is true? It may have been true of one of them, but not all.

Just admit you backed the wrong horse or any other way you want admit it.

I backed the horse that won 48 out of the 59 seats they fielded candidates in. Not everyone who disagrees with you Janpt is a Labour voter.

Something that the Government did right:

I thought they were right when they told ventilator manufactures that the Govt would buy as many as they could make. Since then the demand for ventilators has fallen as we learned more appropriate treatments in some cases, but at the time it was thought they would be needed and I thought that was a good, fast reaction.

What would another Government have done better:

I really don't think that any other Government, whether Labour or the more sensible Conservatives would have given valuable multimillion pound contracts to recently set up companies owned by people that they liked, rather than established and professional companies with experience.

And as other bullies people have said, the Labour party would not have underfunded the NHS and would not be including it in negotiations with President Trump.

varian

"Starmer, Mcdonnell and Abbott are just the same. They all send their children to private schools. " posted janpt.as if it was a fact.

Does anyone know whether this is true? It may have been true of one of them, but not all.

I always think discussion about people's personal choices for their children's schools should be off limits.

Keir Starmer's children attend their local state primary school, not private school as was asserted as fact

Some people do regard it as hypocritical if a politician who says he wants to abolish private schools does send his own child to one, and I can see why. That is why these acusations should not be made unless they are true.

Janptwhat would a Labour government have done differently? Well they would have used the public health systems in place in the country for test and trace. These people have experience of disease control and already work in the public health sector. They would not have given billions to their mates for a system that doesn't work. Germany did just this www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2522 and their success rate is much higher. Really this government is neither efficient nor value for money (unless you are one of their mates of course then you are quids in!).

I've just read That Mrs Thatcher was a fine example to women. No she wasn't, she was a token man. When the suffragettes campaigned for the vote they did so because they believed men did not care properly for women and poor children, and only women with the voote cold change things. Thatcher demonstrated that some women don't care either.

Starmer sends his children to local schools. I don't know about McDonnell but I'd be surprised if he sent his to private school
It's well known that Abbott sent her son to private school, I think as he was heading for his teens. She never tried to hid this and was open in saying she made the only choice she could for her child. Given them tragedy of his mental health problems, I'm prepared to accept that like most of us, she did what she believed was best for her child.

Grany

Well Said Anniezee

Well Janptfor a start Corbyn McDonnell and Starmer would have properly funded the NHS so it would cope far better with the pandemic. Our NHS would NOT be on the table in trade talks with Trump. They would definitely not have given test and trace to their mates private companies which Johnson did costing billions and which have failed to deliver. So Johnson and co saying world beating far from it a total failure.

If it makes you feel better to think that so be it.

I see no real positivity about what a great job the government is doing (I wonder why) just little digs at other posters. Just proves what a disaster this government is.

Janpt just because people may have voted for a political ideal that did not win the election /referendum does not make that ideal bad or wrong.

The current Conservative Government made many claims and promises in their election campaign, as all parties do, mainly concerned with their ability to get the best deal possible for exiting the European Union. At this point in time it appears that they may not be able to succeed in all the ways they had anticipated. As a keen supporter of the EU I am obviously wanting the best deal possible to mitigate what I consider the disadvantages of abandoning the Union.

Of course the Covid 19 situation is/was unchartered and there is no way of knowing how different things might have been with a different cabinet in place. There have been decisions and approaches that I totally disagree with, in particular the unwillingness of the cabinet to engage more widely in a cross party way to deal with the pandemic crisis. Some things are bigger than party politics. The awarding of contracts to personal friends and contacts , apparently without due process , is not what I consider the sign of a good government.

I cannot support the 'hostile environment' pushed by Theresa May and carried on with vigour by the current Home Secretary. It does not sit well with my British Values.

trisher

I see no real positivity about what a great job the government is doing (I wonder why) just little digs at other posters. Just proves what a disaster this government is.

No, it proves that GN members have got enough going on in their lives to have to cope with, without having pointless arguments on here.