We need a coup

varian

Are you saying that even the lifelong Conservative voters on GN are left wing janpt?

I don't know where you got that from. There are very few Conservative voters on here. They would probably prefer to avoid the bullying which goes on in this predominately left wing thread.

As with most of the political discussions on here, those who are slightly left leaning tend to give facts and figures and those right of centre who lean towards the extreme right tend to say I believe and I know........... Perhaps the time has come to call a halt to this particular discussion because we're banging our heads against a brick wall.

I do wonder if we had some form of PR whether the political parties would sort of flatten out and the more extreme elements would form parties of their own.

Lara When you say "Please debate the issues but don't resort to attacking people because their views are not the same as yours." can we assume that we can still point out the actual facts from statistics and our own experience? A great deal of the differences of "opinion" on this thread are based on ignorance and prejudice, not on recorded fact or thirty years before the blackboard - and most "attacks" are on the whole membership of Gransnet for their supposed membership of one political end of the spectrum, though many posters have stated that they are normally in the middle or well toward the other end.

Ilovecheese yes I know that, hence my previous post. Apologise if I did not make myself clear.

Grannygravy13. ~Thank you for that.

There are some good MPs and I think we all hope they will have the strength of will to stand up to the Whips.There are others though who will be looking for promotion and will therefore kowtow. they have seen that you can get on with little or no talent just by being yes men /women.

I heard George Walden , who was a minister in Margaret Thatcher's cabinet describe most of the present cabinet as over promoted.That they are in the main. A shame Johnson got rid of most of the more able because they stood up to him.

GrannyGravy13 It is not just Labour MPs who are pressing the Government to do a U turn over free school meals, several Conservative MPs are disagreeing with the Government on this matter.

Ilovecheese

I am glad that so many people do not agree with Janpt.
There are still so many decent posters on Gransnet that it makes up for the other kind.

I'm not surprised that so many people do not agree with me as this is mostly a left wing site. I don't know if I would use the word 'decent' to describe the majority of left wingers on here. I have already been warned about the bullying which goes on here of anyone who disagrees with the majority Labour voters.

Whitewavemark2 there are times at the moment that I am embarrassed to be a Conservative. I only hope that the good MPs grow a backbone and start voting with their heads, not their wallets.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Are you saying that even the lifelong Conservative voters on GN are left wing janpt?

And Janpt, NO ONE other than you is banging on about Labour. The election is LONG gone. Move on!

GrannyGravy13

Janpt I am a lifelong Conservative voter, even I can see that the Government have/are making mistakes.

It isn't hard to make that judgement as Gransnet is obviously a left wing site. I accept that the Government have/are making mistakes but as I have said before this situation is unprecedented and I doubt if the Labour Party could have done any better.

Janpt, there was a lady posted on here last week. She is on Universal Credit. After her rent was paid, she had 18 a week for ALL utilities, food and any other essentials. Now, I don't know about you, but my utilities alone (in a modest house) are more than that.

Where does she find the money for luxuries?

Janpt can I come and rewire your house? I have no experience or qualifications in the subject but apparently that isnt important these days.

GrannyGravy13

Janpt I am a lifelong Conservative voter, even I can see that the Government have/are making mistakes.

I’m quite impressed gg13 ?.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Janpt I am a lifelong Conservative voter, even I can see that the Government have/are making mistakes.

Elegran

We won't change what Janpt posts. Ninety-nine posters could tell us of their experiences either as children whose parents tried the damnedest but couldn't pull themselves out of a hole by their bootstraps, as teachers who saw the same thing happen to pupils over thirty years of teaching, or as social workers who saw even mor, but Janpt believes that they are the ones who " just refuse to accept what is here in front of your eyes and want even more doled out to irresponsible parents." No, we have seen that most parents are responsible - and we don't believe hunger is a child's fault, even if they had the bad luck to be born to one of the irresponsible ones.

I will now stop trying to move an immoveable object. Think what you like, Janpt. You are in a minority, I am glad to say.

I am well aware of being in the minority on her. This whole site is left wing, full of bigoted left wingers who refuse to accept the obvious. Not only did your party lose the election but you know that given the situation we are in your party could not do any better. You refuse to give credit to a government trying their best in such a difficult situation and will not acknowledge that the behaviour and language of your Deputy Leader was disgusting. Shame on you all !!

A small but telling point - school meals are not doled out to parents of any personality - they are given to children who need them.

GagaJo

Janpt, I have SEEN it. I've been a teacher for a long, long time.

You are victim blaming. People aren't poor because they chose to be. It is a whole cycle from underfunded schools with huge classes resulting in poor education. Poor quality housing. Unemployment or underemployment.

There is a system in place to keep the poor, poor and keep the elite in place. It is deliberate. Multimillionaires in the HOP voting against feeding the most vulnerable in our society while awarding MILLIONS to their friends and family for services they fail to provide. Money that would have fed all of the UK's poor children for 20 years.

It shows our society for what it is. Selfish and greedy. Evil.

You have missed the point of the post. Which is that people would not be as poor if they spent what they had on necessities and food for their children instead of cigarettes, drink latest technology and other nonessential items.

We won't change what Janpt posts. Ninety-nine posters could tell us of their experiences either as children whose parents tried the damnedest but couldn't pull themselves out of a hole by their bootstraps, as teachers who saw the same thing happen to pupils over thirty years of teaching, or as social workers who saw even mor, but Janpt believes that they are the ones who " just refuse to accept what is here in front of your eyes and want even more doled out to irresponsible parents." No, we have seen that most parents are responsible - and we don't believe hunger is a child's fault, even if they had the bad luck to be born to one of the irresponsible ones.

I will now stop trying to move an immoveable object. Think what you like, Janpt. You are in a minority, I am glad to say.

The SNP hold many seats M0nica because of the high proportion of people who voted for them. They got 44% of the vote at the last Scottish election and have 47% of the seats. The Tories got 22% of the vote and hold 24% of the seats, so it works quite well. Its not an exact equivalence, but works much better than the FPTP system at Westminster, where in the last General Election the winners got 44% of the popular vote and have 56% of the seats.

Alegerias, I do not think the Scottish government is a good example of a proportionate voting. It hasn't stopped the SNP dominating all.