provocative phrases

PECS

I don't understand why the term 'karen' being used to refer to a particular female stereotype is racist. It is certainly used as a derogatory term but it excludes other white women too. More class related I would say. Not nice whatever we call it!

It became an internet meme.

There were hundreds of videos of American white women being racist. Most of them were stereotypical and were somewhat plump. I don't know why they were called "Karens" - I guess the fad started with a video of a woman called Karen. She's an elderly version of Vicky (?) in Little Britain.

I agree with you there Varian ??

common stereotype
Karen is a pejorative term for someone perceived as entitled or demanding beyond the scope of what is appropriate or necessary. A common stereotype is that of a white woman who uses her privilege to demand her own way at the expense of others.
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Karen (pejorative) - Wikipedia

I didn’t think hair colour came into it but either way both Karen and Gammon are IMO awful

I do think it is unfortunate when ordinary names suddenly become terms of abuse,

Fortunately I'm not called Karen, but I do know some lovely inoffensive Karens and this new Karen trope must be very hard for them.

Because the term "Karen" is us as a derogatory term specifically about white, or pale skinned, middle aged women with blonde or fair hair. If the same term was used as a descriptive derogatory term for any other ethnicity, would that be acceptable?

Ok Chewbacca I wasn’t 100% sure hence the question mark.

Don't think so GrannyGravy; In 2018, it became particularly known as a term to describe either those on the Right-wing politics|political right or those who supported Brexit, a "gammon". The term refers in particular to the colour of such a person's flushed face, especially when expressing their strong opinions

I don't understand why the term 'karen' being used to refer to a particular female stereotype is racist. It is certainly used as a derogatory term but it excludes other white women too. More class related I would say. Not nice whatever we call it!

Chewbacca I thought the male equivalent was Gammon ?

Referring to white skinned women, of a certain age range, as a "Karen". It was used quite recently on GN to simply dismiss the opinions or thoughts of those that they didn't agree with. There is no male equivalent so it's not only racist, it's misogynistic too.

growstuff phew..I don't have any to clutch!

Yes grow and imo is always faux

In that case PECS, you're not a "pearl clutcher" (as I understand it). My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that clutching pearls is like reaching for smelling salts.

Ah well I use FFS in frustration ..a habit I know but I do not mind an occasional expletive. Either in my direction, if I have been a dumb-cluck about something, or at others who have messed up! I don't like to hear it as a regular part of someone's speech 'effing& blinding' but I do not consider an occasional swear word a sign of ill education or inability to use the English language with skill.

Pantglas2

....or just by throwing a glass of wine over your opponent ?’

That’s a joke, right?

Errrr- let me think about that.

....or just by throwing a glass of wine over your opponent ?’

That’s a joke, right?

lazy and ugly perhaps, but more honest than 'chill'.

PECS

Swearing at another person in a debate can be a sign of losing reasoned debate OR it can be sheer frustration from a reasoned debater at another debater who is no longer debating with reason!

Beautifully put ?I also think it’s different online and in RL - the FFS, WTAF are useful online but in RL the whole discussion is different. You can emphasise points differently for one thing by facial expressions or just by throwing a glass of wine over your opponent ?

It’s only a couple of posters who do it PECS.....everybody else manages to use reasoned debate.
Saying FFS to somebody is lazy and ugly in my view.

suziewoozie Would you care to articulate what you mean please a little more clearly?

Sorry I do apologise, and I will assume you didn't intend to present yourself in a snarky, put down way! My post on this thread at 16.21 quotes two of your posts which seem to lack consistency. Perhaps you'd care to comment?

Swearing at another person in a debate can be a sign of losing reasoned debate OR it can be sheer frustration from a reasoned debater at another debater who is no longer debating with reason!

janipat

May I refer you to my post of 16.21 which appears to show some lack of consistency?

Would you care to articulate what you mean please a little more clearly?

May I refer you to my post of 16.21 which appears to show some lack of consistency?

You can see why I’m a gender critical feminist

typical internet Forum losing tricks- sad.