Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

I do seem to remeber, Annie, going back to not long after you had voted for Corbyn as Labour leader, then quickly regreted it, that you said he was a wrong'un

The Observer today had an assessment of Jeremy Corbyn by Andrew Rawnsley. It makes interesting reading.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/01/mr-corbyns-self-pity-betrays-the-victims-of-antisemitism-scandal

Yes varian I did vote for Corbyn, I had heard him speak at the miners gala and based my choice on this. Big mistake, and
I regretted it very soon after he became leader, and yes I did
say I didn’t trust him and he would destroy the Labour Party.

I did cancel my membership of the party , and have joined again.

MOnica, yes I read Andrew Rawnsley this morning, good article imo.

varian, I hope Annie won't mind me saying that she has posted over recent years about her initial support for Corbyn. She has also given clear reasons why her views on Corbyn changed.
I was a LP member during the leadership election that Corbyn won. I saw the four candidates on four different occasions during that campaign. I voted for Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham. It was obvious that Corbyn created enthusiasm in the audiences. I hoped he wouldn't win because I didn't believe he could lead the party to an election victory. I was concerned he had never supported a Labour leader, had voted against them 400 times. He had never run a large organisation and never been willing to compromise for the sake of the greater good.
Within a few months I was struggling to remain in a party with him as leader. I stuck it out for about 18 months but the increasing concerns about his inability to deal with the anti semitism issue, along with his inadequate but arrogant, irritable responses to journalists meant I did leave. I re-joined in order to vote for Keir Starmer.

Apologies Anniebach, I was typing as you were posting.

The fall out from Jeremy Corbyn suspension

m.youtube.com/watch?v=j3dZsXKcQ4Y

Thank you for posting the link MOnica , after all the flack i
have taken for my criticism of Corbyn it did mean much to
read my own views on him in the Observer.

Yes Iam my views change so very soon after.

biba70

As an aside, I would love to see anyone in the Conservative Party banned for Islamophobia.

Fat chanc when the leader is a racist.

I have read the Andrew Rawnsley article and would add the there are more victims than those he has mentioned - namely the Jewish Labour MPs who were subjected to vile abuse and the Jewish party members who suffered abuse from other Labour Party members.

I see this as not only about what Jeremy Corbyn did by quibbling about the numbers of complaints but what he failed to do during the whole of his leadership about the anti-semitism shown by members of his party.

He blames everyone but himself when he had the power and the responsibility as Leader to ensure that action was taken to create an effective complaints system and to publicly show support for the abused Jewish MPs. Instead he stood by and let them suffer. Unforgiveable.

Agree Ramblingrose he didn’t even speak when a Jewish MP
needed a police escort to enter a party conference , he had
the platform, party members, the media, but silence from him

How can some defend him

AR's article makes it clear that Keir Starmer did all he could to enable Jeremy Corbyn to make an anodyne response and leave the past in the past, but JC decided nevertheless to stir the flames and make a reply that required Starmer and the Labour party to take firm action. I thnk he wanted to be suspended so that he could pose as a martyr.

I do not think I have ever felt so much contempt for any party leader as I have for Corbyn. The current PM is not far behind, but I have always felt that Boris has some self-awareness and knows that he is driven by ambition, and ambition alone. Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps his initials are prophetic, however, really does believe that he can do no wrong and that when he makes mistakes, because he is nowhere as clever as he thinks he is, they must always be someone elses fault and never his own

In answer to your question Annie, I think they are part of the Jeremy Corbyn cult, which means they persist in believing -

1. that he was an excellent leader and can do no wrong, and

2. in the conspiracy theories that everyone was plotting against him.

They refuse to accept that the majority of voters in this country at the last election rejected Corbyn. They just can't seem to get this into their heads because they love him so much!

To clear up a few misconceptions. The first report of this suspension was leaked to the press not to anyone else. It seems that the suspension itself was not in fact completed until well after the news broke. It also not only overshadowed what should have been an important discussion about the issues in the report, but it directly contravened one of the recommendations in the report that there should be a clear and independent process for dealing with suspensions in which the leader's office should have no involvement. So not only has Starmer diminished the impact of the report he has ignored one of the key recommendations because it suited him . www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8yljRCgbtM

Yes Ramblingrose and like Corbyn cannot admit they were
wrong in their denial of anti Semitism

Trisher - I think there is a misconception on your part that needs clearing up.

The Guardian reported -

"In a series of interviews on Friday, Starmer insisted he had had nothing to do with this disciplinary process. Party staff were told this afternoon that the only person consulted by Evans in advance of his decision to suspend was a lawyer.

Asked if possible disciplinary action against Corbyn could include expulsion, Starmer said: “Yes, people have been expelled from the Labour party.” He told the BBC: “But it’s not for me to say what process should be followed, that’s for the general secretary, or what sanction is in order".

You'll find the article containing these extracts at this link:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/30/corbyn-supporting-mps

If the link doesn't work from this post you could copy and paste it into your browser.

Keir Starmer took the decision to suspend Jeremy Corbyn. Labour claimed the General Secretary did in a flawed attempt to evade the charge of political interference—the very thing the EHRC condemned. But Keir couldn't resist boasting about his "difficult decision" on the radio. pic.twitter.com/fhkHr40p1u

Grany. You have nothing to say about the anti semitism in
the Labour Party, are you in denial ?

You Annie are condemning a man an anti racist who has stood up to all forms of racism including antisemitism (there is plenty of proof out there of all he has done if you care to look) all his life. You know there were those on the right who were working against their Elected twice leader in 800 page leaked Labour report of what they did. Now as I said after McNicol GS left who was working against the Party and Jenny Formby came in cases that McNicol deliberately not dealt with were then properly dealt with. There were not as many cases as the right wing inside and outside and media said there was. There is also antisemitism in the Tory party and society as a whole. By the time Jenny left there were very few a very small amount What Jeremy Corbyn said in his statement was allowed by EHRC rules he said nothing wrong.

Now I don't want to go over this again

I am surprised that he wasn’t suspended a long time ago. Can’t stand the man.

Thank you Grany denial

Lets face it Corbyn wanted to be expelled from the Labour party. There is nothing he has enjoyed better. He is at his happiest when he is out on a limb pretending he is a martyr to the cause, preferably the one that is least acceptable to everybody

He was completely out of his depth as a leader, not just because he lacked any leadership skills at all, but suddenly he was mainstream and had to make decisions that mattered and had people expecting him to take a position on all the main issues of the day and of course when it came to it he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it on Brexit and he couldn't do it on anti-Semitism.

Grany, you say that Corbyn is and always has been ant-racist, and I entirely agree with you. Unfortunately that only makes his refusal to grasp the nettle of anti-semitism and deal with it as leader of the Labour worse. He knew it was wrong, he believed it was wrong, but he lacked the guts to follow through and actually do something about it when he had all the power and authority to do so - and that is the worse cowardice of all.

M0nica I think you have nailed it.

An exact synopsis.

The Jewish MP’s have been victims since Corbyn became leader, now he has put himself forward as a victim.

Ramblingrose22

Trisher - I think there is a misconception on your part that needs clearing up.

The Guardian reported -

"In a series of interviews on Friday, Starmer insisted he had had nothing to do with this disciplinary process. Party staff were told this afternoon that the only person consulted by Evans in advance of his decision to suspend was a lawyer.

Asked if possible disciplinary action against Corbyn could include expulsion, Starmer said: “Yes, people have been expelled from the Labour party.” He told the BBC: “But it’s not for me to say what process should be followed, that’s for the general secretary, or what sanction is in order".

You'll find the article containing these extracts at this link:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/30/corbyn-supporting-mps

If the link doesn't work from this post you could copy and paste it into your browser.

The problem is Ramblingrose22 that the statements about who was communicated with about the suspension have varied at every point. It has been said that Starmer rang Corbyn to tell him, it has also been said that a photographer told him, and that he was told by someone else. What is clear and obvious is that Starmer is as usual changing his story to suit the audience and that there was no independant body used to decide the suspension, so even if the general secretary made the decision he had no right to do so, and key recommendations of the EHRC report have not been implemented or even considered.
How many times was it said before this report that Corbyn was responsible and that he should act as a leader and look at complaints? The report criticised him for doing so. Starmer really can't pretend he has the right to do as he likes or that his fingerprints aren't all over this

I actually feel sorry for Jeremy Corbyn. He's fundamentally a good man in the wrong place at the wrong time.