Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

trisher

What sort of a country allows its law enforcement officers to misuse women and father children in such a way? If it was happening somewhere else there would be an outcry about it.

I absolutely agree, but don’t be so sure that is doesn’t happen elsewhere.

However, I have tried and failed to find the events and Starmer’s reason for what happened in the vote, so I can’t feel able to comment. I am aware of his absolute experience in this sort of case and incident so undoubtedly his explanation will not be simple.

sooziewoozie, thanks for posting the Met apology.
Ilovecheese, I read an article recently about one of the under cover officers apologising for his actions. He said he knew it was wrong, so did his boss but it continued. He now has a positive relationship with his son from that relationship. Here's hoping that can continue for the sake of the young man. What a shock for his mother to find out the extent of the betrayal, the undermining of her ability to trust, and over such a sustained period of time. Must have rocked her foundations.

trisher I absolutely agree, this was misuse of women and the children fathered by these men, who were "at work". Some of them had existing families in their other 'homes'. What a mess.

I just want to add that I disagree with trisher on several issues but she’s always always worth reading, well informed states her views clearly and to say she’s best ignored on anything and especially this issue of police undercover officers is beyond acceptable.

This is again a snipe. Insulting comments are to be ignored by me others are free to accept them

I feel it matters little now if Corbyn is expelled from the Labour party or not. Starmer has shown since his election that he wishes to see no place within the higher positions of the executive for members which are from the left of the party. His sacking of Long-Bailey from the shadow cabinet and not replacing her with someone from the left caused doubts regarding Starmers election pledge to unite the party. However, in not acting to resist the suspension of Corbyn being a former leader, Nobel peace prize winner and member for over fifty years confirmed to me, and very many, others that Starmer wishes to move the party away from it's socialist roots for it to become nothing more than a mark two Conservative party.

However, as the weekend developments have shown, the Labour Parties largest funders being the Unite Union and several other unions have had many thousands of their members and activists calling on those unions leaderships to end the funding of the Labour Party and divert those millions into a new socialist political party firmly set up within the trade unions and other affiliate organisations. Time has run out for this bickering, squabbling, no commitment Labour party unless Starmer acts very quickly to demonstrate he is determined to lead an all inclusive party into the future.

I see that there are those in this thread who wish to see the left of the party split away, and they may now well now get their wish. But, the Unite Union (my union) alone have funded the Labour Party to the tune of over five million pounds since December of last year, and those that wish to see the left of the party depart will have to put there hands far deeper into their pockets if the present Labour party is to survive.

All that money and we lost the general election with the worse
results since 1935

Anniebach

All that money and we lost the general election with the worse
results since 1935

Yes, all that money squandered by an over bureaucratic, squabbling organisation consumed by infighting and staff working against their own elected leader.

Time it was all brought to an end and a fresh political organisation set up within the affiliated organisations that have always funded left wing politics in Britain.

Well Said Sara70 I agree with you.

The voting public had nothing to do with the results

Anniebach

The voting public had nothing to do with the results

I believe this thread to be about the suspension of Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party. The voting public had nothing to do with that situation coming about as it is an internal matter to be dealt with by those being members of the whole Labour movement.

Sara70 - are you quite sure that Jeremy Corbyn won a Nobel Peace prize?

I haven't been able to find his name at this link:

simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_winners

Crikey this all sounds very familiar.

He never won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Corbyn represents a missed opportunity for the Labour Party.

The Labour Party has now moved on in a better direction, so, unless I were a rabid supporter of the Tories, I would just forget about Jeremy Corbyn. He is yesterday's man.

Ramblingrose22

Sara70 - are you quite sure that Jeremy Corbyn won a Nobel Peace prize?

I haven't been able to find his name at this link:

simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_winners

You are quite right Ramblingrose22. Jeremy Corbyn was presented with the Gandhi International Peace Award in 2013 and the Seán MacBride Peace Prize, apologies.

I think those prizes were for his work on behalf of the Palestinian people.

Corbyn didn’t win the Nobel Peace prize .

Affiliated organisations is so familiar Galaxy , expect it has
cropped up on some threads

International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him.

Sean McBride was at one time - chief of staff of the IRA,
no surprise Corbyn was presented with that award.

Sara70 - unfortunately you sound like another Corbyn admirer who attempts to exaggerate his achievements. I have seen many others on Twitter.

I think Grandad1943 has morphed into Sara70!

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varian

He never won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Corbyn represents a missed opportunity for the Labour Party.

The Labour Party has now moved on in a better direction, so, unless I were a rabid supporter of the Tories, I would just forget about Jeremy Corbyn. He is yesterday's man.

You are quite correct Varian in your above post in that Corbyn's leadership of the party is now political history. It is what comes about now which is important and many who have funded the Labour party from their subscription to the trade unions wish to see a political organisation that truly represents the ambitions of working people.

If in that ambition we have to leave the existing Labour Party and with the trade unions and their funding set up a new political party, so be it. Look out for the name "independent Labour" as six large affiliate funders to the Labour Party have pledged to subscribe to it if Starmer continues with his "only the right" push with the present Labour party

I hope we get a new A Independent Labour Party I for one would join it.

The affiliated and the mega bucks, so familiar

Ramblingrose22

Sara70 - unfortunately you sound like another Corbyn admirer who attempts to exaggerate his achievements. I have seen many others on Twitter.

I think Grandad1943 has morphed into Sara70!

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Who is or was Grandad1943????

Hardly sounds any resemblance of me particularly in sex. My background is one of working in a gigantic online fulfilment centre on a casual zero hours contract after being let go by the event industry due to the Covid crisis.

That centre I am off to now to work another ten hour night shift. Does Grandad or whoever do anything like that???

Anyone care to join me for a pleasant evening, night and morning, there are plenty of jobs going begging there.

Goodnight

Annie you forgot as well, Ghandi worked against the British government obviously that's why Corbyn got that prize!!

I'm with that idea. After all in 4 years time we will need some real socialist ideas.

*Grandad43 was a regular poster on the politic threads, member of UNITE, claimed to be an Expert on health and safety and liked hotel food

Sara70 - Grandad was a nice chap, always courteous in his posts, who was a very keen trade unionist and member of the Labour Party. He admitted once that he had joined Gransnet by mistake. I heard that he has left Gransnet.

Your posts are similar in that you have referred to unions stopping funding to the Labour Party if Keir Starmer takes the party in the "wrong" direction and he often made references to the "labour movement".

I've never been sure if the "labour movement" means people who are employed and belong to a trade union or people who are employed and do not belong to a trade union, but that is probably for a separate thread.