Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

In my view you are putting your belief system before the needs of the vulnerable, they get bugger all from your belief system.

Good point. But they won't be helped by Blair mark two either.

So. Should I leave the party because I’m not left wing enough for some of you?

I dont think he is Blair mark 2 gagajo, I wouldn't vote for Blair 2, not because of a hatred for Blair but because Blair 2 wont get elected and to put it simply that's all I want.
Thankyou for that reply though, this thread has become so weird that it's good to get back to normal debate.

MayBee, your choices are none of my business. I'm not here to insult anyone or tell them what to do, but equally won't have others dictate to me that what I believe and do is wrong.

Each to their own.

Well Said Nanfer5g and trisher We must stand up for free speech democracy. It gladdens my heart to know that people are making a stand for this

This I copied from COSMOS

The suspension of Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party and the decision to withdraw the whip from him, despite his readmittance into Labour is about much more than Jeremy himself. It is a symptom of a serious problem eating away at the heart of UK democracy: a crackdown on free speech and dissenting views as people are punished specifically for saying what is true. Over the past five years, the billionaires, arms producers, health privateers, and those who represent their interests on both have been threatened with exposure, thanks to Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership of the Labour Party; as LOTO, and now, in his role as leader of the UK left, Jeremy did not and does not capitulate to the corporate oligarchy that now runs Britain. Instead, he talks about popular policies that will bring wealth, power and true democracy back to the people of the UK. Mainstream policy reports agree that public investment, nuclear decommissioning and common ownership of basic utilities and services are sensible, practical ways to improve peoples' lives, create economic prosperity, and a stable, peaceful world. But this is not represented in the mainstream media or by many politicians, who now ferociously attack those who speak openly about the facts. Jeremy Corbyn's views are not the politics of “extremism” but of mainstream human rights and social democracy.

The wealthy and the powerful want to destroy Jeremy Corbyn, so that they can use his fate to set an example for anyone who dares questions the falsehoods and outright lies promoted by the servants of big business and corporate media. Now, even the leadership of the UK’s main opposition party is complicit, actively breaking rules and disregarding basic democratic principles while stifling criticism of increasing authoritarianism. If Jeremy is defeated, other MPs who dare vote with their conscience, will be picked-off one by one, until Parliament is left without people of principle.


We are appealing to decent Labour MPs to wake up to the very real threats to the human rights of self determination and free speech in this country, and to take meaningful action. Sign our petition demanding that progressive MPs act now, to defend our right to speak honestly and truthfully about what is happening in our country by removing Keir Starmer from the leadership of the Labour Party, before it’s too late.

Young Labour on twitter

Thousands of young people were inspired to join & support our movement by @jeremycorbyn, in a world with few politicians like him.
The removal of the whip despite the lifting of Jeremy's suspension is a betrayal of them & blatant factional interference in disciplinary matters.

— Young Labour (@YoungLabourUK) November 21, 2020

Grany- what point are you trying to make by posting something you copied from COSMOS?

But Corbyn was defeated at two general elections

@jeremycorbyn, in a world with few politicians like him.

There are many politicians like him ie all those who fail to inspire enough voters to elect their parties into power.
In his case not just once.

It's no good inspiring a few radicals if they want to be elected, they need to appeal to the mainstream.

Once again the debate moves back to Corbyn who is so much easier to focus on and to condemn than Starmer. It isn't the man the article from COSMOS is about it's about a culture which suppresses free speech and undermines human rights. A culture Starmer seems to be a fully signed up member of. So let's discuss that. The EHRC said comment should be allowed and free speech was important. Why is Starmer not permitting free speech? What is he scared of?

I thought young people joined the LP in droves because Corbyn promised to scrap tuition fees and reduced membership fees to £5? I think the chanting at Glastonbury went to his head. But when he didn’t support any of the anti brexit movements a lot of younger people became disillusioned with him. I was thinking last night of the MP’s that we’ve lost recently, some of them due to Corbyns stance on Europe. Chris Leslie springs to mind. I hate all this tribalism as well because over the past few years I’ve come to realise that there are (or were) good people in other parties, too. Tom Brake, Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke. Anna Soubry is vociferous in her contempt of Johnson et al these days. Mind you, she always was, even in government. It shocked me to realise that the far left of the Labour Party were as anti EU as the far right in the Conservatives and a lot of the campaigning we did was with the Conservatives and LibDems. They were talking about Corbyn on both news night and QT and I’m sure that in both programmes it was pointed out that all Corbyn had to do was admit admit that there had been a problem. But he won’t because he can’t accept it. For years now I’ve wanted an opposition party that actually stands up to the government, and we actually have one now so I question in whose interest it is in to tear the party apart. Because it certainly isn’t in the best interest of the country at this moment in time. We’ve got a pandemic to get through.

so I question in whose interest it is in to tear the party apart.
That's a question many would like to ask Starmer because he is the one doing it. Many of the CLP's who have asked for the whip to be reinstated voted for Starmer, so they are not far-left just disillusioned.

It’s just playing into the hands of the Conservatives though, isn’t it?

That seems to be what Starmer is aiming for.

Its' exactly what Corbyn is aiming for.
Just as with Starmer currently, Corbyn and his supporters called for a leadership election replace Neil Kinnock, John Smith, Blair and Brown. He was supported in these attempts by Jon Lansman. He has never supported any leader of his party. Why would he change now.
He is a destroyer, not a consensus builder. I look at the devastation in my town caused by 10 years of austerity and it makes me despair

Why is 10 years of austerity Starmer’s fault. He wasn’t even an MP 10 years ago.

Well, this is interesting. Skwawkbox 2016

So it’s on record that it is the right of the party leader to withdraw the whip – no approval or endorsement from the NEC or other party body is required.

skwawkbox.org/2016/12/21/corbyn-has-right-to-withdrawthewhip-from-watson-or-other-mps-heres-the-proof/

I am sure iam64 can speak for herself but I dont think she is blaming Starmer for austerity!

Corbyn devotees are doing much to keep the tories in power

MayBee70 - no definitely not blaming Starmer for 10 years of tory misrule. My despair is towards those who have never supported a Labour leader, like Corbyn. He undermined and voted against every leader yet expects his followers not only to totally support him but to undermine the current leader.

It is not the people that supported the policies of Jeremy Corbyn that keep on talking about him though.
He is no longer the leader, why keep bringing him up, he is not asking his supporters to do anything,

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how Starmer will unite the party and succeed at the next election. The standard response seems to be "it is all Corbyn's fault". How can it be ? He hasn't canvassed the CLPs. He hasn't dictated what they are allowed to discuss. This crisis has its roots in Starmer's actions, continues to grow because of Starmer's actions and any results are Starmer's. Corbyn is largely irrelevant.
It doesn't matter how many centrist votes Starmer attracts if he loses a large majority of the LP votes.

Galaxy

I am sure iam64 can speak for herself but I dont think she is blaming Starmer for austerity!

No she wasn’t. My brains a bit scrambled today! Apologies.

It matters hugely how much of the country’s centrist vote as opposed to the Labour party’s Starmer attracts trisher, because most people of both political persuasions are fundamentally centrist. We will end up with the hard left and the hard right isolated at the extremes with decreased vote share again at the next election. Just waiting to see now who is the Tory centrist candidate.

That's ok Maybee. I think there are quite a few centrists for want of a better word here.