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All eyes now turn to Brexit.

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 08:17:35

There are rumours that the U.K. in wavering in its negotiations.

At long last reality is setting in.

A couple of reasons.

It is likely that Trump, who has supported Brexit and promised a “great deal” ?has been defeated. Johnson has lost his only foreign supporter.

Looking at the economic forecast it is grim. Our figures are the worst in the western world at the moment and will take another huge hit if Johnson commits hari kari and goes for No deal.

Alegrias2 Tue 10-Nov-20 20:25:08

MaizieD

Oh no, those German car manufacturers have always been going to ride to our rescue, haven't they grin

Well, they're leaving it very late, aren't they?

They're waiting for the Italian Prosecco manufacturers grin

Davidhs Tue 10-Nov-20 20:19:18

Pfizer is a large US company with HQ in New York and establishments in many countries worldwide. They probably moved the European division, easier to move the office than work around changing rules.

biba70 Tue 10-Nov-20 13:34:20

Vaccine- great news indeed.

But ...
Pfizer vaccine.
Made in Germany.
To be signed off by the European Medicines Agency.
Which we chose to leave and which then moved its headquarters from London to Amsterdam.
Has to be transported in special refrigerated trucks at below 80 degrees c.
Which from January will be sat in chaotic queues miles long while paperwork is found, filled in and processed.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 19:50:22

Don,’t forget that your citizens rights of the ability to freely move around your continent has been stripped from you today.

varian Mon 09-Nov-20 18:31:21

Thank goodness that this vaccine announcement did not come a week ago or Trump would have claimed credit for it.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 18:06:28

To complete my week I am hoping for a level playing field deal and keeping to the WA and GFA

Oh joy!

Davidhs Mon 09-Nov-20 17:58:40

“The EU always leaves making the actual deal until the last minute Maizie ( but you know that already.)”

It’s not a better deal that is the problem it’s a deal that guarantees that we are not going to cheat the rules and get an advantage over the other EU members. A level playing field has always been their aim, with no cherry picking.

As for German cars, the U.K. putting a 10% import duty on cars out of 100 plus countries that a company like Mercedes sells to
is unwelcome but a pinprick. BMW would hurt most.
For U.K. producers JLR, Nissan and Honda it is a big issue Toyota less so, they are massive.

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 15:57:29

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Oopsminty Mon 09-Nov-20 15:54:02

Well perhaps we'll all end up living in caves then.

biba70 Mon 09-Nov-20 15:50:22

The most ridiculous letter ... ever. I am sure that will help ... not sad

The modicum of give and take depends very much on who holds the best cards who is in the strongest position, and whether one side can be trusted, or not.

So, who has the 'upper hand' at the moment? And that is NOT the UK- and we all know it. Barnier and Johnson too, and Biden, and everyone else. There will be a deal- but ...

Oopsminty Mon 09-Nov-20 15:49:33

I'm quietly confident we'll get a deal. It's in our interest and the EU's.

This article was written pre-Covid

www.personneltoday.com/hr/job-losses-no-deal-brexit-europe-leuven/

I guess some of us get more upset than others about this. The only place I see Brexit discussed is on GN.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 15:44:09

I’ll give you one guess as to where this letter ended up

t.co/bqQc8i3YQF?amp=1

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 14:06:16

The EU always leaves making the actual deal until the last minute Maizie ( but you know that already.)

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 14:02:29

Both sides will come to an agreement. The U.K. has no choice unless it goes for suicide.

MaizieD Mon 09-Nov-20 14:01:30

Oh no, those German car manufacturers have always been going to ride to our rescue, haven't they grin

Well, they're leaving it very late, aren't they?

MaizieD Mon 09-Nov-20 13:59:02

Kandinsky

Didn’t we leave the EU in January?

We did, and we are in a further transition phase until 31st December 2020. Which was meant to be for negotiating a Free Trade Agreement with the EU. Which hasn't yet happened.

That is the 'deal' that is going to the wire at the moment, in which we hold no cards...

We don't notice that we've 'left' the EU because everything has stayed the same since the the invoking of A50 as we were in a transition period.

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 13:57:00

Shall we drop all the card stuff....? The EU want/need a trade deal and we would like one too! The German car manufacturers will not take kindly to the EU not doing a deal with us for a start.Am quite sure that both sides will come to an agreement soon, both sides are pragmatic and will do what’s in their collective best interests with a modicum of give and take.

biba70 Mon 09-Nov-20 13:53:28

do you have an actualy answer Kandinsky- about which (if any) cards we now hold? That would be useful.

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 13:52:48

Yes ?we did Kandinski this is a transition period whilst we arrange a trade deal. Or not.

Kandinsky Mon 09-Nov-20 13:50:03

Didn’t we leave the EU in January?

GillT57 Mon 09-Nov-20 13:34:25

What we can expect is a trip to the International Courts to answer to the charges of breaking a signed agreement, followed by no other country wanting to do business with a country with such a cavalier attitude to contractual law. Then there is the 30% increase in food costs, the queues at border control........all looking fab. Thanks

Davidhs Mon 09-Nov-20 13:00:01

Never did hold any winning cards just bluff, the EU are willing to stare them down all the way, just over 6 weeks to go and we still don’t know what to expect.

GillT57 Mon 09-Nov-20 12:56:25

Breaking a signed agreement is not bluff and counter bluff.

biba70 Mon 09-Nov-20 12:54:20

because if you are going to bluff right to the wire- you better have good cards, for sure.

biba70 Mon 09-Nov-20 12:49:16

lemongrove

We want a trade deal with the EU and they want one with us,
It’s always been bluff and counter bluff right up to the end.

Just for info, please

which card or cards does the UK now have in their (poker) hand?