All eyes now turn to Brexit.

Gill57 I think millions are happy that Corbyn is toast.

I do wish the 'doom and gloomers' would pipe down, oh for goodness sake, save us the Pollyanna memes. Yes covid is serious, of course it is, and yes, no government expected it, but Brexit was planned, Brexit is expected and we still are on a knife edge, it is very difficult to just keep on whistling and hope that the government know what they are doing.

I wonder when the posters on this thread are going to accept the inevitable,stop mourning Nanny EU and get on with life.
It must be pleasurable for them to continue in the doom and gloom state that has enveloped their comments, otherwise they wouldn’t still be doing so ......years on.

Yes, as am I lemon but that has nothing to do with the approaching disaster that is Brexit with no deal. I have said it before and will say it again for the avoidance of doubt; I did not vote for Corbyn or the Labour party, chiefly due to his wishy washy approach to stating one way or the other his views on Brexit.

Sorry Gill but the doom and gloom just has to be said.?

The vote leave crowd are certainly on the back foot.

I wouldn’t be too complacent about brexit either if I was an ardent leaver.

Post January, if things go as pear shaped as many are predicting, the government is going to have real difficulties on its hands with the dissatisfied voter.

There will undoubtedly be calls to read-think Brexit, and this time the lies won’t be believed.

So very sad that the loss of people's livelihoods is 'doom and gloom'. The selfishness of that approach utterly appals me.

And I bet you still haven't read the thread, have you, lemon?

Don't want to face reality?

Unfortunately ( it was tedious) I have read the whole thread thanks Maizie.

lemongrove

Gill57 I think millions are happy that Corbyn is toast.

I believe that if you are aware of the developments in the Labour party over the last couple of days that the Corbyn issue is far from "toast" as far as the pressure of the Starmer leadership is concerned. The matter of his continued suspension without being given the opportunity to state his case before a fair and independent hearing body is growing the rifts in the party and tearing it apart.

Brexit could bring the end of Johnson, but the Corbyn issue may well also see the end of Starmer. Many Labour MPs who were never really Corbyn enthusiasts have now become very upset with the situation. Ether Starmer and his lapdog General Secretary have a case to put forward against the former leader or they have not.

If so get on with it.

I have zero interest in whether Corbyn is or isn’t reinstated into the LP, that will be decided.
He is ‘toast’ as far as ever becoming PM....and that’s all that matters in my view.

Worse than doom and gloom predicted - is doom and gloom turning to reality in front of your eyes.

Very sad for all those who are paying a very heavy price, through no fault or choice of their own- or through the lies and fraudulent deception they became the victims of.

Some of them will be your children, and grand children, friends and family.

lemongrove

I have zero interest in whether Corbyn is or isn’t reinstated into the LP, that will be decided.
He is ‘toast’ as far as ever becoming PM....and that’s all that matters in my view.

Many are interested in seeing party rules and justice being carried out regarding the Corbyn suspension. If a political party cannot bring about the above while not in power they should never be allowed to govern any nation. That way lays tyranny

Am sure that will happen Sara ( party rules and justice being carried out) these things take time though I expect.

Talk of Johnson folding over the brexit talks. Well that will be another bit of good news.

lemongrove

Am sure that will happen Sara ( party rules and justice being carried out) these things take time though I expect.

We were told at the time that Corbyn was suspended from the party and the whip removed that the hearing would be held within a week. Now we are being told that the hearing will not be held until the National Executive elections are completed. Following that a group from that new executive will be "selected" to judge the hearing.

Some justice.

There was an enquiry into wether the Labour Party behaved correctly, the verdict was that it did not.
Corbyn could have accepted that and moved on, no action was proposed against him, he didn’t he insisted he had no fault. What other option did the Labour Party have but to suspend him him when he insisted the enquiry was wrong or biased in some way.

Davidhs

There was an enquiry into wether the Labour Party behaved correctly, the verdict was that it did not.
Corbyn could have accepted that and moved on, no action was proposed against him, he didn’t he insisted he had no fault. What other option did the Labour Party have but to suspend him him when he insisted the enquiry was wrong or biased in some way.

Thread's being deflected, David!

Not your fault, but we have already had a huge thread on this topic...

Have you read about the shambles in Felixstowe?

Apparently 30% of container space is being taken by government PPE and the Christmas imports have had to be diverted to Rotterdam. Presumably this won’t be an option from January.

I dread to think what’s going to happen to our vaccine order.

Apparently 30% of container space is being taken by government PPE

11,000 containers, according to the Guardian. That's mind boggling

Vaccines can be flown in on Army Transport Aircraft to any Army Base or commercial Airport. Quicker, more practical and far more secure regarding temperature control.

GrannyGravy13

Vaccines can be flown in on Army Transport Aircraft to any Army Base or commercial Airport. Quicker, more practical and far more secure regarding temperature control.

Well that’s one thing to be grateful for

Is the ability to keep products at -70 degreesC standard in refrigerated units? Or in the venues where the vaccine will be delivered?

Or is this a whole new crony contract in the making?

MaizieD

Is the ability to keep products at -70 degreesC standard in refrigerated units? Or in the venues where the vaccine will be delivered?

Or is this a whole new crony contract in the making?

Undoubtedly

GrannyGravy13

Vaccines can be flown in on Army Transport Aircraft to any Army Base or commercial Airport. Quicker, more practical and far more secure regarding temperature control.

Can army planes keep goods at a temperature of about minus 100 F? Really? Link please.

It is the containers the vaccine is packed in that need to be -74 regardless of the mode of transport biba70