All eyes now turn to Brexit.

For an explanation of the effect on musicians see this long thread by Howard Goodall

(it's a bit mixed up with comments but keep scrolling for the whole explanation)

twitter.com/Howard_Goodall/status/1326554091401613314

They sold it as the need to keep immigrants out, but in fact it has actually affected and taken rights away from millions of U.K. citizens both in their leisure and work.

People like ug will directly affected. I assume she will be back soon? I think she said November when someone asked her.

The problem is that many, if not all Leave voters, like Ttump voters, were charged up on an emotional level and it is so much part of their identity, that they find it hard to acknowledge the truth, that they believed a load of lies and they cling on by their fingernails in the face of evidence.

Said on the news just now that nothing had been done regarding brexit in the past week. Too busy fighting amongst themselves. Still we’re constantly being told that a deal will not happen until the very last minute and we’ve got how many days left??

I voted leave. No regrets whatsoever.

Kandinsky

I voted leave. No regrets whatsoever.

Just like Trump supporters

biba70

it is quite nice talking among ourselves, isn't it

Well, it’s certainly what you appear to want.....no dissenting voices, just those who add to your own view that all is woe and thrice woe!?
Never mind....soon be over, and we will have left either with or without a deal. As the poster above says, I voted leave and no regrets whatsoever.

No whitewave....however much you like to drop those little asides about Trump into just about any situation, this has nothing at all to do with Trump, the US or Trump supporters.

And to think that David Davies the first Brexit secretary to be appointed said as he left for the first "we are leaving" meeting with the EU negotiators "these will be the easiest negotiations ever concluded.

The EU was going to fall apart in the rush to do a deal with us. Now, what happened to that prediction I wonder.

varian

The problem is that many, if not all Leave voters, like Ttump voters, were charged up on an emotional level and it is so much part of their identity, that they find it hard to acknowledge the truth, that they believed a load of lies and they cling on by their fingernails in the face of evidence.

What a load of c**p
17 million voters ......all charged up and emotional?Dear oh dear varian

lemongrove

No whitewave....however much you like to drop those little asides about Trump into just about any situation, this has nothing at all to do with Trump, the US or Trump supporters.

You think?

David Davies said many things ( perhaps he even believed them) most intelligent people realised that it would be an uphill battle but would be worth it in the end.

I’m impressed someone knows 17 million people personally.
Wow!

Yes whitewave I do think... and you merely litter your posts with Trump references as a sort of sneery insult to anyone who votes differently to yourself, including in the referendum.
Our time in the EU is over, and I give a sigh of relief.
It’s been a good year politically: Corbyn gone, leaving the EU and Trump gone in the US.?

As the poster above says, I voted leave and no regrets whatsoever.

I can only assume that the 'no regrets' Leavers will not be affected in any way by the difficulties facing thousands of people and businesses who trade with, or work, between the UK and the EU.

People like the musicians in the thread I posted, which I doubt if any Leavers have bothered to read, because it is just too boring reading the whinges of people whose lives and livelihoods have been adversely affected by the 'win' that we're all supposed to 'get over'.

The lack of any sympathy ( or is it a complete failure to understand?) whatsoever for the people whose lives they have, in some cases, ruined by their vote has been very marked over the past four years.

What nonsense.
Musicians managed their careers perfectly well before we ever entered the EU, and they will do so again.

lemongrove

Yes whitewave I do think... and you merely litter your posts with Trump references as a sort of sneery insult to anyone who votes differently to yourself, including in the referendum.
Our time in the EU is over, and I give a sigh of relief.
It’s been a good year politically: Corbyn gone, leaving the EU and Trump gone in the US.?

It is no good getting insulting. It never works with me I’m afraid. I never rise to the bait.

But yes I do think there are many people who voted leave now regret their decision - there is evidence to prove that.

They understand how they were duped, just like many republicans who voted for Biden.

lemongrove

What nonsense.
Musicians managed their careers perfectly well before we ever entered the EU, and they will do so again.

Read the thread, lemon.

Stop telling us about how people managed 40 years ago. It isn't applicable today when so much has been closely integrated with the single market and freedom of movement.

It is very boring. Especially as no Leaver has ever been able to tell us how it is going to improve everyone's lives.

Nobody has been ‘duped’ it’s a laughable assertion by remainers who just can’t get over leaving the EU.
Am sure it must be hard for a few posters, the political party they hate has been in government for just about forever and they were on the losing side in the referendum as well.
It’s time for their big boy pants perhaps.

The title (All eyes now turn to Brexit) surprised me.

We are still in the middle of a deadly world pandemic. The changes (many quite irreversible) that Coronavirus has forced onto the job market, the damage to the economy, the uncertainty for the future - all far outweigh any worries over Brexit.

Deals are always made when they benefit both parties, trade continues and life goes on. I do wish the 'doom and gloomers' would pipe down!

The Vote Leave government has no big boy pants - omly the emperor's clothes.

I wonder if those which still support the leave vote have thought of the truck drivers very much involved in all this. Those people will be stuck on those old airfields for days on end with only a portaloo for company used by a couple of dozen other drivers should no deal or customs agreement come about? They often will be the same drivers who kept food on the shelves our supermarkets when panic buying broke out at the start of the first lockdown.

Hero to zero people in the space of six months.

Read it lemon, it is obvious that you haven't for you wouldn't come out with the nonsense about how people managed 40 years ago. How do you know? Just what is there to be pleased about? I note you got in the little dig about Corbyn, very predictable, and rather pitiful if that is the best thing you think has happened politically this year, doesn't say much the Brexit supporting Tory party's achievements.

It wouldn’t matter if every single person who voted leave regretted it, we’ve left already. I personally know about 50 people who voted leave, only 1 regrets it. I know about 20 people who voted remain, they accept the result and just want to get on with life. Although tbh, In the last couple of years, no one I know has even mentioned brexit
It’s only people on social media who keep going on about it. Mumsnet and gransnet in particular - and it’s 99% remainers who keep talking about it.
I know leaving the EU is a massive deal to some remainers, and they’ll never come to terms with it, but what good does it do going over the same stuff again & again?
Calling leave voters stupid doesn’t mean we’ll suddenly rejoin the EU.

lemongrove

No whitewave....however much you like to drop those little asides about Trump into just about any situation, this has nothing at all to do with Trump, the US or Trump supporters.

It has everything to do with Trump because the very people instrumental in Trumps victory were behind the leave campaign. Cambridge analytica, Bannon etc.