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Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 07:03:25

So, what to do with Johnson?

Excellent article today from which I have cut and pasted.

The nearer we get to January 1st the bigger existential crises we will be in.

*Politically his direction of travel is being cut off. Farage is back with a deeply populist position that leaves Johnson with no chance to tack further to the right. Thankfully.

At the same time there is also no way left for Johnson to make progress with key parts of the Internal Market Bill. President-elect Biden has made it clear that unless Johnson drops the clauses relating to Northern Ireland the special relationship is toast, or maybe something even more akin to those crumbs you have to clear out of a toaster every now and again.

But Johnson must also know that if he takes heed of that message then the ERG will grill him until he’s charred to the point of incineratation, and there remain enough of them to make his life very difficult indeed.

Add to that the fact that public trust in Johnson’s government has very clearly collapsed. The latest lockdown is being faced with both incomprehension and indifference as far as I can see, however necessary it may be. The government’s own incoherence has broken the social contract on this issue.

And Brexit has yet to really happen, as most seem to be forgetting, and will be a nightmare whatever deal is agreed, because we have quite literally none of the infrastructure to make any option, barring an emergency application to extend the transition, work right now.

Johnson has always built his career on lies. More recently to say that its foundations have been in sand would simply to be too kind to it: there has been no real foundation at all. And sometime very soon that fact, with the added element of the absence of Trump to provide cover, is going to become very clear indeed.

There are always, of course, ‘events’ that might help or hinder, but assuming nothing quite extraordinarily beneficial comes Johnson’s way, and all the portents are to the contrary, then it is hard to see what good cards he might have in his hand right now.

His foreign policy is completely shot.

So too is his domestic policy.

As is his economic policy.

Coronavirus is out of control, and that seems to be deliberate.

Tensions in the country are rising.

Finding any upside for him is hard. Not, I stress, that I am being sympathetic when saying so. All this is of his own making. And it is of his party’s too. They know the sort of man he was when choosing him.

But I look at all this and wonder how long that ruthless Tory machine will stick with such an obvious loser. It is just not their style to do so. Leaders who threaten the party are given short shrift by the Tories. And Johnson is threatening more than the party; he is threatening us all.

The question as to how long Johnson can now last has to be in the table. I continue to think it’s not long. Since I acknowledge that I may not much like any alternative to him that the Tories might select that is also not wishful thinking. That is simple analysis. Johnson has created an untenable position from which there is no credible or viable escape route, bar ditching him. And that is why I cannot see him surviving.*

Richard Murphy

FannyCornforth Mon 09-Nov-20 08:28:58

Terrifying.
What is that article taken from please wwm?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 09:08:01

It is from Murphy’s blog, but you can find it on twitter.

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 09:13:00

Ah! Richard Murphy pops up yet again on a GN thread, there used to be many such ‘woe, woe, and thrice woe’ postings from him on here in the past.If you revel in his gloomy outpourings then no doubt you love the example above.
Covid is causing tension in the UK and in any other country you care to mention....But is certainly not rising because it’s deliberate! It’s sensationalist writing....But that’s what he does.

WadesNan Mon 09-Nov-20 09:14:19

It should be pointed out that Richard Murphy is a left wing member of Tax Research UK (where you can find his blog) - you can hardly expect him to write an unbiased view of Johnson or the Tory party.

Shropshirelass Mon 09-Nov-20 09:14:59

We all have our own opinions, who knows what anyone else would have done in these strange times. We can read all sorts of terrifying things but not a lot we can do about it. I don’t believe everything I read. We will see.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 09:37:20

I invite Johnson supports to post a similar argument that refutes Murphy.

It makes for a much more interesting debate than post that simply say I support everything the government is doing, and rubbish everyone else as lemon does - only her opinion of course😄😄😄

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 09:38:12

Let’s have some unbiased articles that support the Tory party😄😄😄😄

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 09:41:36

All those emojis mean you are getting annoyed WW with our replies, but what do you expect, all to agree with him and you?

ExD Mon 09-Nov-20 09:42:49

Some unbiased articles would suffice.

FarNorth Mon 09-Nov-20 09:45:49

I'd be interested to know what Tory supporters believe is being done well. (I genuinely would)
I hope they are not too shy to tell us.

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 09:51:12

Tory supporters have more sense than to get involved in threads like this one, except to say what they think of Richard Murphy’s blogs.Threads like this never end well....

Lucca Mon 09-Nov-20 09:58:27

Farnorth. Me too but a lot of disappeared recently. I Really do not get the reluctance to come up with simple answers. But plus ça change, so I’m heading out into the fog for a walk now.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 10:04:31

lemongrove

Tory supporters have more sense than to get involved in threads like this one, except to say what they think of Richard Murphy’s blogs.Threads like this never end well....

What absolute rubbish.

They never come up with anything - ever!

Not over brexit, not over the economy, not over child poverty, not over tax, not over the lies constantly fed to us by this Trump-lite government.

This week alone has been a carbon copy of week after week of lies.

Liz Truss
Gove,
Hancock
and of course the daddy if them all
Johnson.

MaizieD Mon 09-Nov-20 10:08:54

lemongrove

Tory supporters have more sense than to get involved in threads like this one, except to say what they think of Richard Murphy’s blogs.Threads like this never end well....

Instead of attacking the writer why don't the supporters of the current regime address Murphy's points?

Cowardice, it seems, according to, lemon

FarNorth Mon 09-Nov-20 10:28:59

lemongrove why not just state what you think is being done well then leave without getting 'involved'?
You've already taken the time to say various things, so why not say what's going well?

Ellianne Mon 09-Nov-20 10:58:38

I don't think the Tory supporters on GN are cowardly, shy, reluctant, rubbishers as has been said in just a matter of a dozen posts. Think about it, would you reply if these were the retorts you received every time?
I will tell you some things that in my opinion have been done well by this government:
The enforcement of the wearing of masks on public transport and in shops
The mobilization of the army to help with testing
The building of Nightingale hospitals
The re opening of schools at the right time

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 11:03:37

I think the nightingale hospitals were an inspired idea, and they will be even better once the staff are employed to run them.

Lucca Mon 09-Nov-20 11:09:18

Agree mask wearing is a good idea but it was slow in coming and is apparently not enforceable on public transport.

MaizieD Mon 09-Nov-20 11:16:00

The re opening of schools at the right time

Schools and colleges are the source of the greatest percentage of C19 outbreaks at the moment so I'm a little puzzled by your statement.

Agree about the army; just a bit worried that it might be mobilised against the population at some time in the not so far future...

MaizieD Mon 09-Nov-20 11:17:08

Lucca

Agree mask wearing is a good idea but it was slow in coming and is apparently not enforceable on public transport.

It's not enforceable anywhere is it?

westendgirl Mon 09-Nov-20 11:17:50

I'm sorry Ellianne, but I must disagree with you .

There is no enforcement of the wearing of masks

The mobilisation of the army to help with testing started only last week in Liverpool. Had the testing and tracing been run properly there would not have been this reactive measure. Interesting letter from a retired GP in the Times last week who said that Gp's should have been used in the testing and tracing, as they had the information readily available. My nearest pharmacist said ages ago that the pharmacies should have been used.

The Nightingale hospitals, which cost £220m are mostly unused as there isn't the necessary staff.In the Sunday Times yesterday there was an article stating that only two of the hospitals treated any covid patients,which made the average cost about £1m per patient. On the same page there is a piece headlined Hospices fear closure as funding dries up.

Barmeyoldbat Mon 09-Nov-20 11:19:54

The enforcement off wearing masks on public transport is utter rubbish. I live opposite a bus stop with 6 buses an hours stopping, howmanhy wear wear masks, hardly any. My Dr at the hospital I attend told me not to go on public transports as it was a hot house for Covid. As for shops well, in some shops nobody has a mask on and its so easy to down the necessary forms so you are exempt. Even Boris father was seen in a shop, twice, without a mask.

Nightingale Hospitals have been built at a huge cost but not enough staff to work in them.

MaizieD Mon 09-Nov-20 11:27:57

As for shops well, in some shops nobody has a mask on and its so easy to down the necessary forms so you are exempt.

Compliance must vary widely over the country; just about everybody in my area of Co. Durham is wearing masks on public transport and in the shops.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 11:35:49

MaizieD

^As for shops well, in some shops nobody has a mask on and its so easy to down the necessary forms so you are exempt.^

Compliance must vary widely over the country; just about everybody in my area of Co. Durham is wearing masks on public transport and in the shops.

And here in Sussex.

Everyone masked up.