How did we ever get to have such an incompetent government?

Well said Monica. If we’d had a half way decent opposition the present government would’ve raised their game and given us a proper choice. Instead, we had a rock and a hard place so here we are.

As an aside, what does Priti Vaca mean exactly?

Good idea Monica

growsstuff because all parties are dominated by professional politicians. Once upon a time most MPs, whether knights from the shires or miners straight from the coal face, had worked outside Parliament and many were there to serve their communities.

Now almost every MP leaves to university and gets work in politics, research assistants, interns, PR and lobbying organisations or for their party's organisation. I include here those who work in union HQs. From there they do all the courses and jump through all the hoops to ingratiate themselves into constituencies. They have no experience of life outside politics.

I would like a system that insists that anyone wanting to enter Parliament has to have at least 10 years work experience outside political circles. Let them be lawyers teachers, shop staff and factory workers. Probably some experience of local government or campaigning for something that matters to their community might help as well.

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M0nica

*growstuff*, Neither of the main parties in this country is competent to govern us.

I didn't claim they are. That's a strawman argument.

However, if you wish to widen the scope of the debate, how come we don't have anybody capable of forming a competent government?

sparklingsilver28

growstuff You asked the question and I gave the answer!

You evidently do not appreciate factual evidence that does not accord with your view. You may wish to delude yourself as much as you like but it will not change the reality of fact. Nothing more to be said!

No, you didn't. You repeated the mantra that the majority voted to leave. That doesn't answer my question about reasons.

growstuff, Neither of the main parties in this country is competent to govern us.

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growstuff You asked the question and I gave the answer!

You evidently do not appreciate factual evidence that does not accord with your view. You may wish to delude yourself as much as you like but it will not change the reality of fact. Nothing more to be said!

sparklingsilver28

growstuff

Remain or Leave.

The majority vote for Leave!

I'm not questioning that. I assume you're capable of more than repeating the mantra.

I'm still wondering why they voted the way they did and what they're expecting. One of life's mysteries!

In any case, this thread is supposed to be about the government's competency. As usual, it's been hijacked.

growstuff

Remain or Leave.

The majority vote for Leave!

sparklingsilver28

^Monica & Jaberwok Let's face it they are a bunch of mostly elderly, unelected self serving pompous, sanctimonious remainers determined to thwart what people have voted for four times,^

I did enjoy the laugh! This is usually the description attributed to the likes of me.

The day Gordon Brown awarded pensioners 75p pension increase was me finished. Never again! That also goes for any idiot intent on with-drawing the nations insurance policy - nuclear deterrent.

Furthermore, did not need anyone to tell me how to vote in the Brexit referendum. The day John Major signed Maastricht was me finished again. Fortunately, he was soon on his way, and as long as the PM delivers on what this nation voted for I will continue to support!

But what exactly did the "nation" vote for?

Four years later, I still don't know for sure.

I'm not questioning the Conservative's right to govern, but that still doesn't mean that I think the people governing us are competent.

Maizie After reading the last ignorant rant posted on this thread I feel perfectly content with being among the minority on the moral high ground.

Your arrogance is breath-taking. I assume that this moral high ground is self defined.

Right or wrong, the majority view should prevail. I have had a lifetime of being governed by parties with which I profoundly disagree. I may speak up to put my view and try and influence their decisions. But never would I question their right to govern, nor assume that I am superior being because my views are different to theirs.

How common is this arrogance among the left leaning? Because this attitude does come more from the left than the right.

Monica & Jaberwok Let's face it they are a bunch of mostly elderly, unelected self serving pompous, sanctimonious remainers determined to thwart what people have voted for four times,

I did enjoy the laugh! This is usually the description attributed to the likes of me.

The day Gordon Brown awarded pensioners 75p pension increase was me finished. Never again! That also goes for any idiot intent on with-drawing the nations insurance policy - nuclear deterrent.

Furthermore, did not need anyone to tell me how to vote in the Brexit referendum. The day John Major signed Maastricht was me finished again. Fortunately, he was soon on his way, and as long as the PM delivers on what this nation voted for I will continue to support!

GG13, are you Edwina?

No pin up- but he is talking sense. So did many real Tories in the HoL yesterday.

Now, Barack - that is another story

Not deluded lemon

For more than three years polls have consistently shown that most UK citizens think it was a wrong decision to take the UK out of the EU.

apologies that should read biba70

buba70 is Sir John Major your new pin-up ? If so I will gladly let him know.

biba.....that is deluded thinking on your part.

Is Winston Churchill popular on here? Really?
He said a lot of things, not all of them entirely PC.?
Of course, the ‘average voter’ is everybody on here ( unless some imagine they are a cut above.)

1000s who voted for Brexit voted based on lies. As Sir John said, they were sold a 'win win' Brexit- which is turning out to be a 'lose lose'. Those who would have voted for Brexit on the current reality and facts, do exist- but are a very small minority. Johnson and Government are very aware of this.

Winston Churchill is quite popular on here usually, isn't he?

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
― Winston S. Churchill

petra that has just made me laugh out loud, thank you ?????

MOnica
Your post @07.27. Nail on the head comes to mind. I wonder how many posters recognised themselves? That would be a big fat zero.