Preeti's sitting pretty

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 I was bullied at school, I have been bullied in the workplace.

There is a fine line between bullying in the workplace and an employee disagreeing with a strong/different management style.

We have had to let employees go who we felt were bullying, however one who had a firmer staff engagement /management style than we like, after a long and detailed conversation has remained a valued staff member.

And I’m quite sure that the civil servant’s managers who were being bullied know the difference. Of course they do.

In no way was Maw rude or bullying. Talk about overreaction!

It comes to something when doing the right thing is tantamount to bullying. This is the way I see it anyway. Nobody dare open their mouth about anything----yet it's forever being called a " free country ". Well no it isn't !!

It's only a free country to those who agree with the half=cocked comments coming from those who they agree with. Any other point of view is wrong.

If the Ethics Advisor to the PM runs an investigation into whether or not a minister has broken the ministerial code and 6 months later comes back and reports that she has I don't see where the space for equivocation is.

She broke the code, she should go.

Someone on radio news a little while ago (I didn’t catch who she was but evidently witnessed it) said PP was ‘shouting and swearing’ at civil servants.

Mrs Threadgoode appears to be indifferent to "bullying at work". I hope Mrs Threadgoode is not an employer. She might end up in an ET with her attitude.

An independant investigation found she was bullying. The lead in this has now resigned.
Abuse and Bullying is about a power inbalance and is not a productive means of getting the best out of people.

I had a female supervisor who was a bully, she bullied only those beneath her in the pecking order. So if another minister says she is not a bully that’s because bullies rarely bully their superiors or equals. Not usually anyway.
Boris Johnson is weak and ineffectual and this,like the Cummings situation, does not help him one bit.

EllenVannin is right is it is a free country. And freedom means in a political workplace Civil Servants have the RIGHT to give advice and Ministers decide to accept/reject that advice. If Ministers do not accept advice and their policy goes wrong or, the Government of which they are part, is embarassed then in a free country a Minister resigns instead of blaming the Civil Servants who he/she did not listen to.

Totally agree with MaisieD.
It just seems another case of one rule for us and another for them. Boris just does not seem willing to show strong leadership and sack her. You would have thought he would have learnt from all the furore over his decision not to sack Cummings back in May and how it dented trust in his government.

MaizieD

If the Ethics Advisor to the PM runs an investigation into whether or not a minister has broken the ministerial code and 6 months later comes back and reports that she has I don't see where the space for equivocation is.

She broke the code, she should go.

I agree *MaizieD.

Witzend if she was swearing at others, that's just a no no in the office. I worked in Local Government all my life and swearing at a colleague or customer was a sackable offence.

LauraNorder

Priti Patel is a strong woman who campaigned for Brexit, for a points based system on immigration, for greater police powers and much more which obviously appealed to the electorate who gave her party an eighty seat majority.
Some of the controlling and largely remain backing snivel servants have continuously worked against her and her frustration has been apparent.
In such a situation most of us would sometimes lose our composure. Most of us have had a forthright boss and had to toughen up, Civil Servants are not little kids straight from school, most are strong, opinionated, assertive and dare I say public school boys.
In my opinion the Prime Minister is right to back his ministers and show loyalty unless obviously a murder or crime of brutality has been committed.
I do acknowledge that bullying occurs and should be weeded out but a bullish bloke with years of experience crying bully against a minister with strong views that conflict with his or her own. Please.

Excellent post.

Patel broke the ministerial code.

There is nothing more to argue about.

In normal times, ministers should resign.

We don’t live in normal times.

You're right, LauraNorder.

" snivel " servants is spot on too

Gwyneth. Referring to your post being about “certain posters”. I don’t understand why you can’t say who you mean in preference to veiled hints. Sorry but I find it intensely irritating.

Anyway re Priti, has she at least apologised sincerely ? That would be a start.

Yes, I believe she has apologised. Still, no excuse for bullying so she should go.

What is the point of an "independent" enquiry when the result is overruled by the Prime Minister? Yet another waste of tax payers' money.

largely remain backing snivel servants, and this is why bullies get away with it. What a disgraceful comment. We have no idea whether or not the staff who were found to have been bullied by Ms Patel were or were not remain supporters, she is Home Secretary and like many before her, she is supposed to work with her staff, not against them. Does this mean that only those who support Brexit have a valid opinion? What about those of us who are desperately unhappy about Brexit, are we not entitled to have some representation too? I hope that those of you who excuse this affair, who seem to think that bullying, ignoring independent reports are not employers. I know you are desperate for Brexit, but do you have to completely ignore the usual standards and procedures of decent government to do so?

Snivel Servant? Why do people malign Civil Servants so much? As a Local Government employee, we were very often tarred with the same brush. Not all public sector workers are swinging the lead. In my experience, I worked with very dedicated and hard working people - we went above and beyond on many occasions to help clients/customers. Yes, there was the odd colleague who was, in my opinion, lazy, but they were very much in the minority. Without Civil Servants how could the Government govern?

snivel servants is a nasty comment and says more about the poster and those who agreed with her than it does about the civil servants.

GillT57 yes, it is totally uncalled for.

Curlywhirly

Snivel Servant? Why do people malign Civil Servants so much? As a Local Government employee, we were very often tarred with the same brush. Not all public sector workers are swinging the lead. In my experience, I worked with very dedicated and hard working people - we went above and beyond on many occasions to help clients/customers. Yes, there was the odd colleague who was, in my opinion, lazy, but they were very much in the minority. Without Civil Servants how could the Government govern?

In every organisation, private, public, 3rd sector, there are employees, at all levels who mainly do a decent job - a few are outstanding and a few poor. Only an ignorant bigot believes otherwise.

The report has not been made public, so none of us really know what happened. My daughter is a civil service-trained HR professional and there are very strict guidelines about what constitutes bullying. If the report says she did bully, I believe she did.

JenniferEccles I don't suppose you've been bullied in your work. I have - by a female. I'm not a shrinking wallflower and I'm not a shirker, but that woman caused a life-changing mental health breakdown. If Patel has got away with the same kind of behaviour, she most certainly should be sacked. Unfortunately, bullies rarely are.

Suziewoozie In every organisation, private, public, 3rd sector, there are employees, at all levels who mainly do a decent job - a few are outstanding and a few poor. Only an ignorant bigot believes otherwise.

Exactly.