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New Equalities Commissioner Jessica Butcher

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suziewoozie Sun 22-Nov-20 10:44:01

‘Working-class girls have been deprived of jobs that they love such as Page 3 girls and [Formula One] grid girls because other women disapprove of them. What happened to ‘my body, my choice’?”

So said the new Equalities Commissioner in a speech two years ago. Wow just wow.

Galaxy Sun 22-Nov-20 16:56:29

I do apologise I seem to have spent the last couple of weeks on GN talking about mens body partsgrin.
Growstuff has expressed it much more eloquently.

paddyanne Sun 22-Nov-20 17:05:44

You asked how their lives panned out .all I was doing was giving you the information.They were glamour models not porn stars so your men with their penis's out isn't the same thing .I do know men who posed with their tops off for calendars...and made a good living from it ,does that answer it for you? In fact there are many "stars" including Cliff Richard who produce topless calendars every year for their adoring fans...I've never bought one .

Galaxy Sun 22-Nov-20 17:25:00

That's not the equivalent I am afraid. Womens breasts are seen as sexual so a penis is the closest comparison. I think many people would argue the same about porn stars, that's it's a free choice.
I am not equating the two for what it's worth. It completely ignores the issues around womrns position in society.

Galaxy Sun 22-Nov-20 17:26:25

hmm. Womens.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 22-Nov-20 17:35:07

Surely it is down to the individual women’s choice as to what place in society they want?

Everyone is equal under the law, some folks are more suited to high powered influential positions some aren’t. There are still women who thoroughly enjoy being homemakers and rearing their children. They are happy to put their career on hold.

My AC have friends where husbands are staying home and doing the childcare/housework etc as their wives are high flyers .

The choices are out there it is up to women/girls to take them.

(Covid-19 has limited employment prospects for both sexes for the foreseeable future)

Galaxy Sun 22-Nov-20 17:45:31

No it isnt. Choice is complicated. Those who hold power have endless choices, those who dont well what we describe as choices arent really choices at all.
If you take the example of paid surrogacy for example when very famous rich women are acting routinely as the surrogate rather than being the recipient then I may believe it's a genuine valid choice.

Greeneyedgirl Sun 22-Nov-20 18:04:22

Galaxy and growstuff are so right. I think that an Equalities Commissioner who can make such a statement cannot have a grasp of the fact that gender inequality is fundamentally a question of power, and choices are limited for women because of this.
Even now in the 21st century women are routinely judged by their looks.

suziewoozie Sun 22-Nov-20 18:25:13

GG you really do not understand about choice. There is no real choice without equality and there’s no meaningful equality for many in this country - sex, ethnicity, disability and socio-economic status are the main drivers in how meaningful a choice is on offer and for many there’s none at all. When I see a daughter of JRM or David Cameron or those of their ilk choose to be a topless model, or a grid ‘girl’ or as Galaxy said a surrogate, I might believe choice exists. Atm what I do see for example, is schools in the most deprived areas of the UK, Hull being a very live example, having to send a high % of pupils home over and over again and an elitist government refusing to consider the inequalities this will lead to in next summer’s exams ( and that’s more inequality being heaped on already pre Covid inequalities). Young people of both sexes will be denied choices and life opportunities because of this. JB hadn’t got a clue not a clue . Which is exactly why she’s been appointed because who wants an EC who might actually understand and care about equality.