Who will be left in the Labour Party?

GrannyGravy13

I cannot understand why anyone would want to split the main opposition party?

If this does happen they are handing the keys of No.10 to the Conservatives for the foreseeable future.

If the Labour Party really cared for the population of the UK it would be working its socks off to unite all factions of the party in order to launch an election campaign to win the next GE.

For the left in the Labour Party and the huge affiliate membership who fund the party, there would seem to be no other option but to form a new party.

The actions of the right in the Labour Party over recent years have ensured that the rifts within the organisation are now too deep to be bridged. In that, there is now a leader who does not even make any attempt at creating unity in the party and does not seem to hold or respect any of the core policies that have underpinned the Labour movement since its formation.

The formation of a pro-European party with the wider Labour movements core values at its centre could be politically very attractive, as for many there is no other way to go.

You cant believe that its facts grany with what is going on in this thread and the previous Jeremy Corbyn thread. It's the most bizarre behaviour I have seen on the internet for a while.

Rifts within the Labour Party ?

1976 Callahan became leader and PM, he called for a United Party, but no, then came the winter of discontent followed by
the wilderness years with Thatcher.

Galaxy

You cant believe that its facts grany with what is going on in this thread and the previous Jeremy Corbyn thread. It's the most bizarre behaviour I have seen on the internet for a while.

Bizarre behaviour?????

It's a discussion and nothing else. So, why not just join in Galaxy with your views on the "Subject Under Discussion".

No thanks retiredwell, it's too weird for me.

Casdon

The only solution is a split I think. The party can’t succeed when there are such opposing factions. Interesting times ahead, but I don’t think everybody with influence, or the majority of supporters will be writing Starmer off in the way those on the far left would like them to.

Casdon I think this might be true if it were obvious what Starmer's intentions were, unfortunately it seems to be getting harder and harder to fathom.
As for the idea that all the MPs who abstained were "far left', three front bench MPs including an Opposition whip were amongst the 37.

Well time will tell trisher, but my money is on the majority, including some of the abstainers going with Starmer if there is a split. The shadow cabinet is meant to be inclusive of all views, so I’m not surprised that cabinet members abstained, it’s a healthy sign ultimately as people will now be able to nail their colours to whichever faction their views most accord with - Anniebach is right, this has been a long time coming.

Hope this hasn't been mentioned already.
There was a long article in the Guardian yesterday of an interview with Starmer. In short he stated that he was keeping his views on hold at the moment, making a sort of plateau, halt to conflict, with the Tories until all the stress of brexit and covid has cooled down.
Then prepare for the next election in 4 years time. Policies to be mainly on the economy, and the NHS.
I'll try to find a link.

Sensible man, with the news and press covering the virus and brexit people will not be gripped waiting to hear his policies.

I have no doubt that The Daily Express, Daily Mail, The Sun and the Torygraph will all be enthusiastically bigging up Corbyn's new movement and reporting an imminent split in the Labour Party.

Starmer took various MP’s to task in Parliament for taking the stance of abstaining, as he rightly told them they wanted others to do the voting ( for the deal) for them, as they couldn't possibly want no deal to be the outcome.They looked away a bit shame faced.I like him because he takes it seriously
And doesn’t want to do the game playing that so many on all sides of the house indulge in.

Jeremy Corbyn is a spent force.....surely everyone can see that? His being the centre of a new socialist party can’t be seen as anything other than the child who doesn’t do well in street cricket ‘taking his bat home’.It won’t end well.

As for the threat of “no deal” – well:

When there are no Tory rebels, and the deal passes comfortably, @Keir_Starmer’s argument of “we did it to stop a ‘no deal’ Brexit” will be exposed for the lie that it is.

This deal will pass and Keir knows it.

— James Foster (@JamesEFoster)

Starmer ended up in the worst of all possible worlds:

Brexit Deal passes 521 – 73

Yes, the deal passed, which is what he wanted.

But he was made to look a fool for supporting it and the 39 Labour MPs (with or without the party whip) who did not follow him have emerged as principled, moral … and right.

it would seem that a number on this thread believe that all Labour supporters, party members and the huge affiliate membership should follow "The Great Leader" without question even though no one has any idea what Starmer and his cohorts stand for or against at this point.

To me, the above is nothing short of unprincipled idol worship which has been witnessed and condemned in the support of Farage and Johnson in recent times. That action may be acceptable in the Tory and Brexit parties but not in the Labour movement where several million pay for the party on a regular monthly basis and in that expect the PLP to at least uphold the basic political principles that have underpinned the movement since its formation.

However, as has been stated any number of times by prominent movement members in recent weeks, no one has any idea of what Labour Party policy is on almost all issues at present with the exception of Brexit and the Parliamentary Bills that have accompanied it.

With the Parliamentary Labour party now unable to criticise whatever damage the European Union Future Relationship Act brings to British industry and commerce, as the party voted in favour of it, it would seem that the only way forward is the formation of a fresh left wing party in British politics. That party will most certainly not be led by Corbyn but, hopefully, by persons from within the broader Labour movement who are pro-European and also have real experience of how life is for average income working families in Britain.

There is no now, in reality, no other alternative should the leadership of the Labour Party remain as it is at present.

Unprincipled idol worship retiredwell ?

Farage and Johnson and - Corbyn

Anniebach

Unprincipled idol worship retiredwell ?

Farage and Johnson and - Corbyn

anniebach, Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party very much followed the Policies that were set out each year by the Annual Delegate Conference which is exactly in line with the movements structure and rules.

When was the Annual Delegate Conference held last year ?

It was called Labour connected and was a virtual event from 19-22 September

Anniebach

When was the Annual Delegate Conference held last year ?

I do not believe a full conference was held last year anniebach due to Covid-19. In that case, the policies laid out by the previous year delegate conference would still apply.

However, Starmer has never since his election acknowledged support for any policies previously set out.

But still, the unbridled idol worship continues, in some at least.

It's called transference, it's very funny to watch.

trisher

It was called Labour connected and was a virtual event from 19-22 September

Thank you for that Trisher. Do you know if any polices were able to be made or changed at that event???

I don't think they were Retiredwell I think it was mostly about speeches. You can watch Starmer's speech here labour.org.uk/labour-connected/
But I wouldn't bother if I were you it doesn't say much -it's just hype.