Who will be left in the Labour Party?

He is out there, if you look online you can see where he’s been - but he’s not making a buffoon of himself by making public appearances for the sake of it when he isn’t adequately briefed, he’s finding his way, carefully working his way round the influencing bodies and people - he’s playing the long game. Given how long it is until the next election, making the Tories look inept in the House of Commons is enough. If you listened to Desert Island Discs you will know what he’s made of. I don’t think the media are finding it easy to make fun of him because the mud isn’t sticking, and that’s tough for the Tory supporting rags.

Agree Casdon

Casdon

He is out there, if you look online you can see where he’s been - but he’s not making a buffoon of himself by making public appearances for the sake of it when he isn’t adequately briefed, he’s finding his way, carefully working his way round the influencing bodies and people - he’s playing the long game. Given how long it is until the next election, making the Tories look inept in the House of Commons is enough. If you listened to Desert Island Discs you will know what he’s made of. I don’t think the media are finding it easy to make fun of him because the mud isn’t sticking, and that’s tough for the Tory supporting rags.

On the other hand if no-one knows where you are or what you stand for they won't vote for you. Perhaps what he needs is a better publicity officer. You really can't expect people to look on-line for him. I bet there are lots of people who don't know who he is and who wouldn't recognise him.

Perhaps Starmer has not been out as much as Johnson because he is working hard, not off on jollies when he should be working.

Starmer will be working hard at the moment because he has to produce the action plan showing how the recommendations of the EHRC report will be implemented. There are as many as 18 recommendations and the deadline for this is just a week away.

The man should be left to get on with it, not accused of not being visible enough here, there and everywhere.

As for the suggestion that the left may put up that bumbling idiot Ian Lavery as a rival leadership candidate, he is barely coherent when he opens his mouth so bring it on and we'll have a good laugh! It says it all that they can't find someone better

I've just had a look at Starmer's twitter time line. I haven't finished November yet, but he seems to have been out and about, or having zoom meetings with 'the public' probably more often that our PM. The media may not be reporting much, but when did they ever report the doings of the opposition leaders?

I can't see that he'll be hiding in fridges come the next election...

twitter.com/Keir_Starmer

We should be openminded. I try to be.
Much as I mistrust Starmer there's probably more to him than meets the eye.

If you follow Starmer's facebook pages, you can see his communication either in person or on zoom. As MaizieD says, the media rarely report what the leader of any opposition is doing.
I was impressed by Starmer at the leadership hustings, I liked Lisa Nandy and was unimpressed by RLB. I didn't vote for Angela Raynor as deputy but she is doing a good job so far. They Labour front bench is streets ahead of Johnsons merry mob.

Reading this thread through, it seems that Labour members or voters on GN are in just as much turmoil ( with each other)
As exists in the PLP at the moment and the wider Labour Movement.
How is will all be eventually resolved is anyone’s guess!

Fennel

We should be openminded. I try to be.
Much as I mistrust Starmer there's probably more to him than meets the eye.

I feel that very many have seen more than enough of Kier Starmer than is sufficient to "meet the eye" in the past few weeks. He certainly knew how to get plenty of publicly when he broke party rules and procedures by carrying out the removal of the whip from Jeremy Corbyn. He then gained even greater publicity by dictating to the entire party and movement that they must not discuss his above actions at any convened district or constituency meeting.

Yes, Starmer is well aware of how to gain publicity for his activities in tearing the Labour Party apart.

Oh, and he was very good at getting publicity when he paid off those who had continually undermined the previous leader for more than four years much to his advantage as it turned out.

Yes, Starmer knows how to get large scale publicity alright without even having to make the effort of moving outside of Westminster.

Back again?

Iam64

Back again?

He just can’t keep away!

What's back again Iam64?????????

State what you have too say not bottle it up in innuendo

Too True Oldtimer60 well Said.

On Starmer's twitter lots of people replying to his tweets calling him out people don't trust him nor do I.

Here is just one of them

Lots of CLPs that voted for you to be leader are now passing motions against your actions.
[ie buyer's remorse]
Can you stop being Stalinist, and begin to address significant problems with significant solutions and less of the merely performative anti-racism #Jamaica50 #Abrahams

Why has support for Starmer plummeted
twitter.com/mt_cj_rams/status/1334247297899765770?s=20

Why not post tweets from anti semites praising Corbyn

Very good post and link above grany, excellent.

According to the Guardian around 40 CLPs have discussed such a motion out of over 600. I am sure, OT60, you will be able to update us on the exact number it has reached now.
Trisher, I meant to address a previous issue of yours as to how we know some tweets come from Labour members but life got in the way. We do it in the same way exam boards use programmes to scan essays and papers and see the similarities of delivery and language. We, of course, use our brains and previous knowledge. For example several posters on this site are convinced that GD43 was reincarnated as Sara70, who was reincarnated as Nanfer5g who is reincarnated as???????? A bit like those Biblical verses that start Abraham begat.............

Several like these on Starmer's every tweet.

@MettlesomeTeri

@Keir_Starmer
Why do you never address the government’s political stance? Crony capitalism or neoliberalism? The driving force behind the decisions they’re making. They’ve caused long term damage past ten years but you seem reluctant to point out why Thinking face #TrilateralCommission #StarmerOut

@xpressanny

Too busy bashing Left wing Jewish people, ultra Orthodox, Liberal folk, and Jeremy Corbyn who supported them all! Nothing done about vicious NEC racists who wanted to see young person burned to death! He doesn’t give a toss about Tories as he’s shown since becoming leader!

@_JD_Black

@Keir_Starmer
Not only that, there'll be further unnecessary deaths because of the 'Conservatives' incompetence and short-term thinking'. And because of your lack of opposition to it Sir Abstainer.

@Cornish_Damo

@Keir_Starmer

Your incompetence, spinelessness, authoritarianism and factional short-term thinking is causing long-term damage to our party.
You also haven't presented any alternative thinking for country, the people, or the economy.

And the above post shows Corbyn supporters !

Devorgilla, regarding your post at 08:53 today, it may be that you are forgetting that many Labour District and Constituency parties cannot meet at this time due to the pandemic restrictions. Many of those that are holding online meetings will not move resolutions or motions as not all members have the capacity or technical knowledge to join such meetings. Therefore, that more than forty Constituency parties have managed to pass resolutions condemning Starmer's behaviour gives sight of the strength of feeling in the party regarding this issue.

Perhaps more importantly for the future of the Parliamentary Labour party are the number of trade union branches, being far better equipped to hold online meetings at present, who are passing resolutions regarding ending funding to the Labour Party and even making a complete break with the same. This seems to be especially prevalent within the Unite Union.

Devorgilla, further to your above post, surely if a member is banned he or she cannot return as any new member. ???

Several like these on Starmer's every tweet.

Of course there are. Every prominent or well known person has responses like that to their tweets. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum they're on, or the 'trans' debate, or anything else that is contentious. There are lots of people around who just like to spew hate through their keyboards (and there are a fair number of bots, too. Commenters are not necessarily 'real' people)

I just posted the link in response to people claiming that Starmer does nothing outside his office.

I held my nose and looked at Johnson's twitter feed, too. He's not exactly out and about very much.

Anyone who believes twitter is a reflection of what is going on in reality is I am afraid utterly mistaken. Strangely enough corbyn shoul have won ny miles judging by reactions on twitter, its meaningless in terms of judging the opinion of the general public.

Sorry for typos.

Devorgilla Trisher, I meant to address a previous issue of yours as to how we know some tweets come from Labour members but life got in the way. We do it in the same way exam boards use programmes to scan essays and papers and see the similarities of delivery and language. We, of course, use our brains and previous knowledge. For example several posters on this site are convinced that GD43 was reincarnated as Sara70, who was reincarnated as Nanfer5g who is reincarnated as???????? A bit like those Biblical verses that start Abraham begat.
All this means is that you are able to identify some posters who post continually. It does not mean those posters are either LP members or members of Momentum (It probably also means you spend far too much time on social media) .