Who will be left in the Labour Party?

OT60, I didn't say 40 had passed it, merely that they had discussed it.
As to banned members returning as new members, that is outside my job description, but I am pretty sure, that by using various emails and addresses, someone determined to get their point of view across could engineer it.
What I read into your post re TUs meeting is that, because they have the means, they can dictate to the majority what will happen.

Galaxy purely speculation I know but if you were to canvass for an election tomorrow how many people do you think would recognise Starmer if presented with his photo on their doorstep?

trisher

Galaxy purely speculation I know but if you were to canvass for an election tomorrow how many people do you think would recognise Starmer if presented with his photo on their doorstep?

People only vote for people whose faces they recognise?

That's a very facile judgement of voters, isn't it?

MaizieD

trisher

Galaxy purely speculation I know but if you were to canvass for an election tomorrow how many people do you think would recognise Starmer if presented with his photo on their doorstep?

People only vote for people whose faces they recognise?

That's a very facile judgement of voters, isn't it?

No more facile than thinkng that Boris Johnson was more electable because he was a TV personality.
I do think personality is becoming more and more important and the very sad thing about Kier Starmer is that he doesn't seem to have a notable one.

I'm sure Keir Starmer is really worried about the people on here who don't like him!

Why do you incessantly bang on about him?

Why incessantly repeat the prediction that the left will leave the Labour Party in the New Year? It's become really boring.

Just get on with it and leave, why don't you!

But if you want a leadership election first to see if your favoured candidate can beat Starmer I suggest you try and find someone a bit more coherent than Lavery! It's not as if he has an amazing personality and is really eloquent.

I think I would prefer to go by the poll results trisher, the last I looked they were much more favourable to labour than they had been.

I know I am just crying at the idea of ian lavery, again from near my area, reputation beyond words.

Ramblingrose22

I'm sure Keir Starmer is really worried about the people on here who don't like him!

Why do you incessantly bang on about him?

Why incessantly repeat the prediction that the left will leave the Labour Party in the New Year? It's become really boring.

Just get on with it and leave, why don't you!

But if you want a leadership election first to see if your favoured candidate can beat Starmer I suggest you try and find someone a bit more coherent than Lavery! It's not as if he has an amazing personality and is really eloquent.

Well mostly because he is the leader of the LP and is generally not standing up for the basic standards of the party which might be summed up as Equality, Freedom of Speech, Support for the poorest and weakest, Unity. None of which there is any evidence Starmer has actually acted in accordance with. So although he may make great speeches in the Hof C I don't trust the man. "By his deeds shall ye know him" an all that!

Fine, Trisher.

My point is that all the Starmer-hating posts on here are getting boring because they are by now very repetitive.

We have already got the message that you and some others on here don't like him. I'm sure you won't be betraying your principles if you give it a rest!

I for one will not be spending time trying to persuade you to change your mind.

The 'red wall' voters don't seem to have a problem with the current Labour Party

labourlist.org/2020/12/tories-struggling-to-keep-hold-of-red-wall-support-won-in-2019-new-survey-finds/

As a side issue - husband got a letter from our local LP today asking for £50 to renew his membership! After a year.
So they do seem to have financial problems.
I'm sure joining the party used to involve paying a one off subscription
Who can afford £50 per year?

Have you looked at all types of membership , I dont pay that much!

In answer to the original OP......... Not Me!
I see that Naomi Wimborne Idrissi who spoke about “the wrong type of Jew” on the YouTube link that was posted up thread, has been suspended from the LP.
I am glad to be out, and so are many others that I know who have left in recent days.

Oh no! Greeneyedgirl if that is true it's unbelievable. And maybe I will change the OP -who on earth would want to be left in this sorry excuse for left wing values?

Just Googled it and it is true www.thejc.com/news/uk/labour-suspends-senior-jvl-official-after-deeply-unpleasant-meeting-1.509331
Seems the LP considers her "the wrong sort of Jew" as well.

Or perhaps just deeply unpleasant and spreading the wrong message.

Just what do you find "wrong" about her message lemon?

Nothing, ( the link won’t work for me) but my comment was that the LP might well think that ( after all, it can’t really be that she is ‘the wrong sort of Jew’) that in itself would be anti-Semitic.

Looks like they are getting rid of the left who support Palestine. So if you don't support Israel friends of Israel You are the wrong type of Jew. You should be able to speak up there is Freedom of speech you should not be stopped from having your voice heard.

The link biba posted works absolutely fine, lemon but you could try this one.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjhHhL_15Nw&feature=youtu.be

I've watched it and I'm now despairing.

That’s a frankly ridiculous post grany

Well I was trying to moderate my feelngs towards Starmer, reading his speeches and questioning my ideas. But really this is too much when Free speech is condemned what on earth is the LP about?

I have been a LP member and a Palestinian supporter for many years. It is only in the last year I have felt constrained in speaking out for human rights for Palestinians for fear of being considered anti Semitic, which indeed I am not. Perhaps Grany is not so far off the mark?

There was absolutely nothing in the Naomi Winborne Idrissi broadcast that was offensive in any way. It was an eloquent and intelligent analysis of how the voices of people who support Palestine are being drowned out and accusations of racism being made against them if they dare to raise some very pertinent concerns about human rights.

I was not a huge fan of Starmer but hoped I could support him as leader of the LP. Now that members are being forbidden to discuss issues, and perfectly reasonable people are being suspended from the party I am not sure that I can continue as a member. There has to be something that differentiates Labour from Conservative and at the moment there appears to be very little.

lemongrove What was "deeply unpleasant" about Idrissi's broadcast?

lemongrove What was "deeply unpleasant" about Idrissi's broadcast?

I don't think she watched it. She said that the link didn't work.