Who will be left in the Labour Party?

The last GE results ( *because of Corbyn) were the most dismal since 1935.
Whatever you think of Starmer, at the next GE, if he doesn’t win it outright then it will be a close thing.

Believe this or not.

We very nearly had a Corbyn government in 2017 So people did vote for him.

everything possible was used to prevent a Labour victory in 2019

Blair and co raised £1000s and Mandelson said every day in anyway be it a phone call whatever I try to prevent a Corbyn government.
Groups with bill boards speakers out try to stop Labour gaining power.

The Billionaire newspapers especially The Mail, Express and Sun had pages and pages every day smearing Corbyn
BBC media in tandem.

The right of Labour worked very hard to stop their own party reaching government diverting money ect ect.
Then Jolly Johnson the liar "Get Brexit Done" The poor people those of the red wall were fooled.

Well Said Retiredwell Excellent

Starmer will not be leader of the Labour Party at the time of the next election if the party is to survive as one broad church identity. Should he remain then Labour will split into two separate parties formed from the left and right wings of the present party. There can be no other way.

Oh not again.

So with the exception of the Corbinites , voters did have the
intelligence to think for themselves and were brainwashed by
the press .

Retiredwell

Starmer will not be leader of the Labour Party at the time of the next election if the party is to survive as one broad church identity. Should he remain then Labour will split into two separate parties formed from the left and right wings of the present party. There can be no other way.

I actually think that, unless they start working together of their own accord, they will split whoever is leader.

Left won't stand for another centrist and the centre won't stand for another leftist.

Surely the intention is to split the far left off, as they aren’t going to be electable with the extremists in the party.

But it isn't the "far left" who are getting sick of Starmer and rebelling. Many of the CLPs who have chosen to ignore his instructions about what they can or cannot debate supported him when he was elected. I think most people in the LP were prepared to give him a chance, what they weren't prepared for was someone who would steadily and consistently disregard the core values of the party.

If Gransnet posters are representative of the voting public (which of course they aren’t) then it definitely would be the ‘far left’ who are disgruntled with his actions. Most Labour voters I know think he’s doing what has to be done to make the party electable again.

Casdon

If Gransnet posters are representative of the voting public (which of course they aren’t) then it definitely would be the ‘far left’ who are disgruntled with his actions. Most Labour voters I know think he’s doing what has to be done to make the party electable again.

The problem is that the way Starmer is leading Labour he will in all probability not be governing a single identity left of centre party to make electable in the not too distant future?

Retiredwell, you’re right - I think that’s what has to happen though, the divisions are too deep for it to remain one party. Those on the left of the party will have choices to make, my guess is that a lower proportion will splinter off than people are predicting but until it happens we won’t know.

Casdon who do you think will fund the party Starmer leads?

Surely all political parties should be funded by their members and not by big business or trade unions?

They wouldn't raise much that way though, varian so membership might become so expensive as to be out of reach for people who didn't earn much, whose voices also need to be heard. Especially as since this pandemic we know who really keeps the country going. ( clue: it's not hedge fund managers)

I wrote earlier that husband recently had a letter from the local LP asking for £50 to renew his membership.
So not a one-off payment now.

So what is Corbyn going to announce tomorrow? Is it just me but doesn’t Corbyns assumption that he lost the election because of the news media, his own party etc etc sound a bit like Trump refusing to acknowledge that the Republicans lost the election because of their leader?

Trisher you asked me what I thought about that in virtually the exact same words on the Corbyn thread, refer back to that if you’re interested- I’m realising this is a circular debate, or actually, more like the Wizard’s Chess game. The question is, who is Ron Weasley?

Casdon people sometimes develop their ideas from the original into other areas, but if you haven't that's OK. It seems fairly obvious that unless Starmer re-adjusts his attitude the Union money will not go to the LP. I'm wondering if the Cooperative Party will become more important and receive the funding.

There’s no need to be patronising trisher - if you couldn’t remember that you and I had the same conversation a few days ago that’s fine with me - and I’m sure it’s fine with you if your compelling arguments haven’t convinced me either, shall we just agree to differ?

Is it truly democratic that the Labour Party have to dance to the tune of the trade unions? I mean, McCluskey isn’t voted for by Labour Party members is he?. Wasn’t it distrust of the unions and their power that brought Margaret Thatcher to power all those years ago and has that distrust ever gone away? Labour really do need to to the bottom of why the very people they want to help are voting Conservative. I’m not knocking unions by the way. Although I do personally loathe Len McCluskey.

He who pays the piper calls the tune, so why should the Labour Party not serve the interests of the unions, just as the Tory Party serves the interests of their billionaire donors?.

The whole system stinks, and is compounded by FPTP which allows a well funded party to run a dictatorship for five years on the basis of a minority vote.

Varian regarding your post at 14:02 today, I would be interested in your thoughts (and the thoughts of others) on reports that Keir Starmer may attempt to align the Labour Party in an opposition alliance with the Liberal Democrats. Such a move would be as "waving a red flag to a Bull" to the left of the Labour Party and movement, but should it prove not possible it is speculated that Starmer could resign as Party Leader and join (with other right wing Labour MPs) the Lib Dem party as a prospective leader of the future.

I am viewing the press speculation on the above in the light of Jeremy Corbyn's announcement today along with other Labour MPs and several trade unions of the formation of the "peace and justice Movement" which is seen as the forerunner of a new left wing party.

Without doubt, Starmer was aware of today's move well in advance of the announcement being made and therefore behind the scenes talks may already be taking place involving him with the Liberal Democrats.

Therefore Varian, do you think that the present Labour leader would be welcome in the Lib Dems as a sitting MP and prospective future leader along with much of the right of the Labour Party???

Press Links to the above can be found here.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/08/would-keir-starmer-better-leading-lib-dems/

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/viralnews/18941226.corbyn-announces-launch-peace-justice-project/

I think this Peace and Justice project and what is needed in the world right now. And Jeremy is urging government to do much more about the climate emergency all parties and people should put this to the forefront of what needs to be done now. m.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/posts/10159041494438872

The Green New Deal is definitely the way to go, and I am hoping that as this Pandemic eases we will not “return to normal” but have a very different political perspective.

The Neoliberal path that the country has been following will not sustain us for much longer, with the poor getting poorer and the rich richer, and an economy that depends on consumerism.

Climate change is far more threatening than Covid and Brexit, and our politicians need to take action very soon before it is too late. I believe that there is a growing grass roots movement to hold the government to account on this.