How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

Alegrias2 ?

Patriotism - the last refuge of a scoundrel, so said Dr Johnson, those that can give no rational reason for action, only that it’s patriotic.
I’m the first to cheer on the national team at whatever sport and I’m proud to be British, but I can’t say I’m particularly patriotic.
What many think is Patriotism is in fact Tribalism where some sort of special association is above everything else, wether it makes sense or not.

Cultism

Project fear from - um - The Telegraph!!

I would imagine that SNP supporters fully understand why people want to break away from the EU, since they wish to do the same from Westminster.....but here’s the thing, they don’t!
Oh, it’s different,they say, but actually, no it isn’t it’s really much the same.

Should know pretty soon if there will be a deal or not.

Patriotism always strikes me as strange. Really do not understand how anyone can be proud on a pure accident of their birth being inside political lines drawn on the map.

I would imagine that SNP supporters fully understand why people want to break away from the EU,

As they don't want to break away from the EU, they think the English are barmy.

lemongrove

I would imagine that SNP supporters fully understand why people want to break away from the EU, since they wish to do the same from Westminster.....but here’s the thing, they don’t!
Oh, it’s different,they say, but actually, no it isn’t it’s really much the same.

Should know pretty soon if there will be a deal or not.

Have any of your friends ever been in an unhappy marriage, divorced then remarried happily?

Nope, although Burton and Taylor did....wait, that was still unhappy!

Well the good thing for Scotland paddyanne is that
lemongrove will fully understand and embrace your reasons for independence, and will support that, as it’s exactly the same thing as the U.K. leaving the E.U.!

Yes, I do.

It’s total independence, easy to understand that. I should be sorry to see Scotland leave the Union, but if it’s what they want in another referendum further down the road ( not this year!) then so be it.

Well I certainly do. If Scotland votes for independence that's fine by me, Wales and NI too. I think perhaps they should get a cast iron deal with the EU, but again that's up to them. good luck to them, they'll need it.

So will England

I do actually know some couples who have remarried after divorce, but I do wonder how many other divorcees lived to regret it but never had the nerve to admit their mistake.

It is so much easier to fool people, or to mislead them into a foolish action, than it is to get them to admit that they were wrong.

You should work for Relate Varian ??

Franbern, David2025 I agree - have never seen being patriotic as a particularly good thing as it always seems to harbour much that is bad. I think people see patriotism as loyalty, but don't seem to understand that loyalty has to be earned....

Scotland and England were, apart from sharing the crown, two separate countries pre 1707 and managed perfectly well till the Darien Affair, so presumably they can do so again. yes, it'd be a shame to break up the union, but not the end of the world.

Jaberwok

Scotland and England were, apart from sharing the crown, two separate countries pre 1707 and managed perfectly well till the Darien Affair, so presumably they can do so again. yes, it'd be a shame to break up the union, but not the end of the world.

They were actually fighting each other tooth and nail for centuries, much the same as the English.
I would vote for Scottish Independance, there would be just one condition - They rebuilt the Wall.

They'll have to build something as there will have to be a hard border once Scotland joins the EU.

Presumably if Johnson doesn’t succeed tonight, it is all over?

Blimey.

Blimey and a lot more

some on here will be delighted -
until their loved ones turn as they pay the price.

Just read ‘no concessions’ on Facebook but surely it’s too early for any facts to be known yet?

It’s on BBC newspage now - no agreement.

Also read ‘extended till Sunday’....(will put the news channel on...no sleep for me tonight...)