How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

72 hours to prevent no deal....I hope people that wanted this are pleased with themselves.

they are

they will pay for it

their children will pay for it

their grandchildren will pay for it

many will move to the other side of the world - I won't blame them for sure.

We will all pay for it - the vast majority who truly, really, do not want this.

I presume they will go to their respective camps to put forward what's been discussed

This could be a good thing.

At least neither stormed out declaring No Deal.

Which could have happened

Have you ever had a best friend or sister/brother you truly love, and who you watched falling into the wrong crowd, for the wrong reasons- or falling for a wo/man who is a baddun and you know will make them very unhappy, or worse. You try to warn them, but they turn against you ... and then you can do nothing but watch it unfurl- and hope one day they will realise and come to their senses. Yes, this is how it feels.

Could be worse. Could be in the middle of a pandemic I suppose....

I'm waiting for the Scottish tories to resign...they said they would if NI got a better deal than Scotland..but then Boris isn't dead in a ditch either is he?
they really should try to remember what they say but then Boris isn't dead in a ditch either....
We remember though ,when Ruth the Mooth said that when Scots go to London they're put somewhere they wont break things or steal them...such high regard she has for her countrymen.#Never trust a Tory

So

The descent into chaos begins.

Fudge obviously on the menu.

The CEO of the Food and Drink Federation tells us what to expect in January.

mobile.twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1336721052723015685

This is deal or no deal.

It’s hard to see a deal in the making now, even though it may be dressed up as an “Australia” style trade deal, which is no deal at all because they do not trade on preferential terms. It’s not about sovereignty at all because we can consume whatever we want for home consumption or indeed for export elsewhere. The issue is what we send to the EU, they don’t want their standards diluted.

In effect the EU are saying we ARE going to control what you send to us.

Fisheries is separate, that is sovereignty, we should control our own waters, no doubt foreign boats will be allowed, the question is how many for how long. I hope the dispute doesn’t last long, a fisheries deal will have to be made, if not as part of the wider deal, then separately.

In a lot of instances out standards are higher than the EU 's. Would we have to lower them I come into line? As for fishing, it's not just about the fish but environmental concerns particularly about those huge trawlers and the damage they do both to the sea bed and to the wild life which, if Greenpeace are to be believed, simply can't be allowed to go on. A lot of country's have banned them and hopefully we will be doing the same.

Why do they go on wasting time? No deal was always the plan.
Tories backed by their hedge fund owning donors will soon have the desired outcome. Bet against the failure of major organisations, causing the pound to sink, sit back and rake in the cash.

Add in the more obvious rampant cronyism and everything is going their way.

Dress it up as the pursuit of democracy and sovereignty to play to the gullible.

Job done!

jaberwok I understand that the level playing field is the ability for businesses to trade under fair practice.

So it is about not being able to undercut each other because for example the working conditions for employees were crap thus making it easier for a business to make more profit.

If our standards are higher than it won’t be an issue for the EU.

No Leavers willing to respond to the CEO of the Food and Drink Federation telling us that we're going to run short of food pdq in January?

A reminder here that up to 80% of the UK's food is imported (and no, we can't buy local because a) the UK hasn't been self sufficient in food for at least 200yrs and b) we grow very little that will be available in Jan - March (aka the hungry gap).

www.businessinsider.com/no-deal-brexit-percentage-british-food-imported-shortages-2019-1?amp&r=US&IR=T&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true

So, while one Leaver jabbers on about 'our' fish (which we don't want to eat) how about some others looking reality in the face?

It won't be 'alright in the end' because we have a government that has no concern at all for the wellbeing of the British people and have already told us that it is not their business to ensure that the population is fed.

And anyone who thinks this is project fear needs to give their head a good shake and think hard about the fact that most of our food imports come by sea... and listen to what the transport and food industries are telling us.

^jaberwok I understand that the level playing field is the ability
for businesses to trade under fair practice.^

I'm afraid, WwMk2 that I don't think this poster really has much idea about how the EU and international relations work.

I find a great deal of irony in stating that we have higher standards (which we've been able to have all the time we were an EU member) and then pretending to believe that the LPF would mean we'd have to drop them.

Yes, I expect we will all starve come January MaizieD?
Without an agreed deal there will be tariffs (and disruption for a while) but please don’t ‘jabber on’ about the population running short of food.Running short of some items maybe, but not general food.
In any case, the negotiating isn’t over yet.

“ If our standards are higher than it won’t be an issue for the EU.”

Correct, the issue is our wish to import products from the US and elsewhere, that do not meet EU standards, we will be able to do that for home consumption. The EU don’t want us to send them those products, so they want proof of origin for every ingredient - provenance if you like.

We currently have traceability for food products, that will stop for imports. It does not mean we cannot export to them but traders will have to prove the origin of each product, instead of automatic acceptance we have now. Adopting different Labour, Welfare, Environmental, Health standards is going to be a nightmare, it was all so easy inside the EU

One thing I've learned from the pandemic is that if you think the worst will never happen, you could be wrong.

If we run short of food, if my elderly parents have to spend their time going from shop to shop to find what they need, if they run out of their medication. I'll know who to blame. It'll be the ones telling me that "this is what we voted for".

Never mind, let's just wait and see.

One complaint we heard during the referendum was that there was far too much bureaucracy within the EU. Well, we are just about to increase that bureaucracy big time.

MaisieD If you read my post properly you will see that my concerns were as much for the environmental damage done by over fishing as fishing itself, which some of us care deeply about. While I appreciate that these concerns are of little interest to some on here, after all I guess wildlife and all that that involves is just so much collateral damage in the mad chase for ever increasing profit, it does seem a pity that a proper balance can't be achieved and that plundering resources is the only way forward, until in the end there's nothing left. The theory of the killer ape certainly has a sinister ring to it.

jaberwok with regard to the environmental damage being done to our sea beds.

I would refer you to the European Environmental Agency site (very easy to find). Much of your worries are addressed in their information.

I think that your assumption that there is little care for the natural environment is somewhat off the mark. People do care.

It is the fishing business and businesses like mineral extraction, that need high regulation and control.

Kevin McGuire said on GMTV this morning something along the lines of 'Brexit was a career move for Johnson. He got what he wanted which was to be PM.' It did have a ring of truth to it, what a price for the country to pay though.

Contingency plans being suggested by our big neighbour. No suggestion of wanting to make us pay, so don’t believe it if some idiot tries to suggest otherwise.

lemongrove

Yes, I expect we will all starve come January MaizieD?
Without an agreed deal there will be tariffs (and disruption for a while) but please don’t ‘jabber on’ about the population running short of food.Running short of some items maybe, but not general food.
In any case, the negotiating isn’t over yet.

You don't seriously think that the current charade has anything to do with negotiation, do you?

It's a deeply damaging exercise in who is going to walk away first. Johnson is dying for it to be the EU so that he can blame next month's chaos on the EU.

The EU aren't so stupid as to play that game.

In the meantime, we already have chaos at our ports and businesses have absolutely no idea what regimes to expect come 1st Jan.
As they're the ones who are going to have to cope with all this I think they should be listened to.

As for 'running short of some items', what happened when KFC ran out of chicken? Nobody is used to shortages of anything these days.

The point is why should I put up with shortages etc.

I NEVER WANTED IT. I NEVER VOTED FOR IT. AND I WON’T OWN IT.