How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

It's not just fishing though, it's environmental concerns particularly regarding those huge factory trawlers. The Balkans, the Mediterranean, and most of the EU coast has been fished dry, the seabed ruined, marine life decimated, same with seabird colonies. Although I appreciate that for most people on here, this is probably totally unimportant when balanced against mega money, but for me this is very important and this systematic wrecking without a care has to stop and that includes our own fishing fleet, who will be carefully controlled and monitored and face consequences for any flagrant abuse. We're all horrified at the destruction of the Amazon in the pursuit of jobs and money, surely the oceans are just as important? If we have to leave without a deal in order to banish the factory trawlers then so be it.

I think a link to this information would be useful, Jaberwok

Not that I would trust this government to do much for the environment.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

One logical reason that Johnson had dragged it out to the last minute is because it gives parliament no time to debate.

But British fishermen sold most of their quotas to these supertrawlers and nothing will change post brexit.

MayBee70

So, if it’s all about fishing rights what happens to the EU fisheries that bought the fishing rights off English and Welsh fisherman? Will they not be allowed to use those rights and is that legal? Are we prepared to lose Toyota and Nissan over all this?

A quota is not permanent it can go up or down in value according to demand or be abolished, there are plenty of examples of that happening. In practice the national governments would compensate those that lost out in one way or another.
For example if France looses fishing quota their government would have a compensation scheme

It is what it is. It’ll be what it’ll be. One will cross that bridge when it happens.

David0205

MayBee70

So, if it’s all about fishing rights what happens to the EU fisheries that bought the fishing rights off English and Welsh fisherman? Will they not be allowed to use those rights and is that legal? Are we prepared to lose Toyota and Nissan over all this?

A quota is not permanent it can go up or down in value according to demand or be abolished, there are plenty of examples of that happening. In practice the national governments would compensate those that lost out in one way or another.
For example if France looses fishing quota their government would have a compensation scheme

And that I think is what we will see happen as a result of the negotiations this weekend. There will be some form of compensation scheme agreed for both sides.

So, has the U.K. government ever compensated U.K. fishermen for the loss of their livelihood?

Any perishables in the mile long queues of wagons at the ports ?

MayBee70

So, has the U.K. government ever compensated U.K. fishermen for the loss of their livelihood?

I don’t know but I expect david does.

I’m not sure about fishermen 40 yrs ago, there were certainly lots of regeneration in the former fishing ports.

There have been several compensation schemes for farmers retiring from the industry over the years. They have been within the CAP payments, aimed at better efficiency and environmental benefits.

The fishermen were compensated. I had a friend who had a boat yard in Mistly where a lot of the boats went to be cut up for scrap.

I did find that most of the fishermen lost jobs as a result of the Icelandic Cod wars in the 1970s, eventually compensation of £20000 each was paid after a long campaign

The fishing industry is disgusting and has led to so much pollution and depletion of marine life it should be much more controlled and regulated. Why we are prepared to foregoing 99.9% of our economy for this horrible trade I have no idea.

I thought the Eden Project in Cornwall was partly EU funded and was a way of compensating the area for the fishing industry being reduced.

It was in part, Maybee, a very small part.
The Millennium Commission weighed in with £37.5 million of Lottery funding to single Eden out as the ‘landmark’ project of the far South West, and their subsequent contributions brought the total to just over £56 million. We hope we’ve delivered for them and for anyone who's ever bought a Lottery ticket.
Other major sources of funding included the EU and Southwest Regional Development Agency (some £50 million between them, including £26 million towards capital funding from the EU) and £20 million of commercial loans. The balance was made up of £8 million of other loans and some funds generated by Eden itself and reinvested back into the Project.
Many other supporters have played a part in our development since Eden Project opened in 2001. During the financial year 2015-2016 the following funders provided financial support to a variety of our charitable projects.

ASDC / AsusTek (UK) / Big Lottery Fund (Big Local) / Big Lottery Fund (The Big Lunch) / Blue Pegg / Buro Happold / Department of Communities and Local Government / Eddie George Memorial Fund / Exeter University / Eranda Foundation / Halifax / Pukka / Renault / Seasalt / Sky Rainforest Rescue / St Austell Brewery / Wellcome Trust / Woodford Investment Management (Neil Woodford and Craig Newman)

But, as has been pointed out by others, where did the EU money come from?

In fact, I doubt it was to compensate for the loss of the fishing industry.

Well, even though any EU money distributed to those areas probably came from the U.K. in the first place the point is that the EU made sure it went to deprived areas whereas central government would probably have spent it south of Watford.

the EU made sure it went to deprived areas whereas central government would probably have spent it south of Watford.

You'd be surprised.
Not everyone in Cornwall is deprived.

Do you really think the EU micro-managed the distribution of the funds to those most in need of it?
Of course they didn't.

Callistemon

^the EU made sure it went to deprived areas whereas central government would probably have spent it south of Watford.^

You'd be surprised.
Not everyone in Cornwall is deprived.

Not surprised at all. It was ever thus, but has grown over the years.

Areas of deprivation were identified by the EU and they invited application for funding for various projects, amongst other things.

They also invited application for funding for projects for environmental projects.

A friend of mine who lives in Yorkshire always talked about the rural poor. She said they were as plentiful as the urban poor but largely ignored and forgotten about.

Not surprised at all. It was ever thus, but has grown over the years.

Depressing, isn't it.

Cornwall has had a lot of funding from the EU because twenty years ago it was recognised as one of the poorest regions in Europe www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/exactly-what-eu-funded-cornwall-2697596

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susie Hewson
to all those of you who believed what leavers wrote on the side of the #BrexitBus - this is the reality this morning at Dover! Logistics teams in businesses like mine, manufacturing and distribution across the UK and EU are in tears this morning

The Tories have often ruined major industries, but at least Thatcher was honest about what she sought to destroy. In two weeks’ time this government will burn down the house, deny anything’s happened, then blame you for it.

Lis.