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susie Hewson
to all those of you who believed what leavers wrote on the side of the #BrexitBus - this is the reality this morning at Dover! Logistics teams in businesses like mine, manufacturing and distribution across the UK and EU are in tears this morning

Kent. The car park of England.

“but at least Thatcher was honest”

True, she went much too far in the changes that were made, far too short term thinking.

david

It is a nightmare.

Apparently the lorry parks are built on a flood plain with the result that at times they resemble huge swimming pools.

People living on the side of the M20 and lorry tail backs say all they can smell is urine and collect bottles of the stuff from being thrown onto the side of the road.

Schools and businesses are frantic because it is becoming impossible to travel.

Goodness knows what it is doing to the pollution levels.

Does anyone know if this likely to disrupt the distribution of fuel?

MamaCaz

Does anyone know if this likely to disrupt the distribution of fuel?

Do you mean disrupt the supply of fuel?

??emperor’s new clothes?

“Christmas tip: Give the Brexiter in your life an empty box on Christmas morning and tell them it's full of sovereignty. See their little faces light up!”

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MamaCaz

Does anyone know if this likely to disrupt the distribution of fuel?

Do you mean disrupt the supply of fuel?

I'm not sure, so here's clarification of the context I had in mind, so if 'supply' is the correct word, please just mentally substitute it ☺
I said 'distribution' as I was wondering if it might become difficult to get fuel out of the ports for 'distribution' to petrol stations etc.

French fishermen are now threatening to blockade Calais if a deal is not struck. I am wondering if Boris will then send the gunboats he has now stationed in the channel to shell the port of Calais.

Who would ever have dreamed following the referendum more than four years ago it would all come to this. ?

MamaCaz

Does anyone know if this likely to disrupt the distribution of fuel?

Virtually all crude oil supplies arrive into Britain via the refinery port terminals at Milford Haven and Southhampton. When refined it is then distributed to petrol and diesel distribution terminals such as Avonmouth. The transfer of petrol and diesel from the refineries at Milford Haven and Southampton is in most cases through pipeline or coastal tanker shipping.

Therefore I would not expect any disruption in distribution supplies, but in the situation Britain now finds itself in, who is to say what may happen.

Thanks for that, Retiredwell.

mamcaz ?

I think the EU are fighting too hard. What are they so worried about? The union breaking up? It will be interesting to see who bankrolls all the countries going into debt post-Covid. Many countries (incl ours) massively hit by a halt in the tourist trade. There will be massive unemployment or massive debts. Previously I believe it was France, Germany, UK that were the main net contributors to the EU budget, which means Germany and France picking up the bill. It will be interesting to see where people migrate for work and whether any “locals” will complain. The world has been turned on its head by Covid and free trade needs to be reviewed. There is a lot of work ahead but I worry that many EU countries will have real problems with debt.

It’s the Channel ports that will be affected there are alternatives but once a container or cargo is enroute it’s very difficult to change it’s destination.

Don’t worry about Lorry parks if it gets too bad goods won’t be moved, they will stay in the factories, more than one or two days delay will bring the whole system to a standstill, with only priority goods moving.

But let’s be optimistic that there is an agreement

Razzy they are worried about us buying cheap products from any where and passing it on to them, Hormone Beef Chlorinated Chicken, Genetically modified anything, to name 3 well known.

We can send them anything that complies with their rules, many products we might offer may not. In effect the UK is saying we want to send anything we like to the EU, wether it meets their standards or not.

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??emperor’s new clothes?

“Christmas tip: Give the Brexiter in your life an empty box on Christmas morning and tell them it's full of sovereignty. See their little faces light up!”

I know just the person, thanks for the tip!.

LOL

Have managed to get an early prescription for son’s epilepsy meds (had run out of some other meds early so I asked for those to be added). So am feeling slightly less worried about those. The other meds can be brand swapped if necessary so more flexibility on those.

Absolutely no idea but expect/suspect deal at 2359. Good or bad one? Not even those who negotiate it will know. Proof of the pudding and all that. Anything so major takes time to 'settle in'. I'll do my best to adapt and survive in spite of politics. Happily I have circumstances nearer to home that far outshine all of this awfulness.

Nezumi65

Have managed to get an early prescription for son’s epilepsy meds (had run out of some other meds early so I asked for those to be added). So am feeling slightly less worried about those. The other meds can be brand swapped if necessary so more flexibility on those.

That’s a relief

Wwmk2 ''Apparently the lorry parks are built on a flood plain with the result that at times they resemble huge swimming pools.''

friends in the area are very concerned that the concreting of such a large area of pasture, which normally absorb huge quantities of water- is going to lead to massive flooding in the pastures and villages/town in the whole surrounding area. Is there anyone close who would confirm this?

But let’s be optimistic that there is an agreement

Even if there's an agreement there will still be the problem of the extra checks at ports (and the Eurotunnel). Even a few minutes of extra delay for the extra checks will have a knock on effect and lead to huge tailbacks/queues. Ports were warning of this at least 3 years ago.

Of course, it could be that our export trade with the EU dwindles so much that fewer lorries will be waiting anyway..

They have been building new homes on flood risk areas all over the country for years and 36% of new homes in Kent are, I believe, built on flood plains.

You'd think planners would have learnt something by now.

biba70

Wwmk2 ''Apparently the lorry parks are built on a flood plain with the result that at times they resemble huge swimming pools.''

friends in the area are very concerned that the concreting of such a large area of pasture, which normally absorb huge quantities of water- is going to lead to massive flooding in the pastures and villages/town in the whole surrounding area. Is there anyone close who would confirm this?

biba my son is in charge of the flood prevention for the South Coast including Kent.

Your friends are right to be concerned. Kent has had serious flooding in the past and the Medway, to name just one has caused huge damage.

Those fields were valuable soak aways.
The planning process was completely by-passed and none of the Kent population had and say in the matter. Warnings from the EA were ignored.

Callistemon

They have been building new homes on flood risk areas all over the country for years and 36% of new homes in Kent are, I believe, built on flood plains.

You'd think planners would have learnt something by now.

The EA has no power to prevent this, but is charged to mitigate the damage on a very stretched budget when disaster happens.

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Callistemon

They have been building new homes on flood risk areas all over the country for years and 36% of new homes in Kent are, I believe, built on flood plains.

You'd think planners would have learnt something by now.

The EA has no power to prevent this, but is charged to mitigate the damage on a very stretched budget when disaster happens.

The EA also have to satisfy environmentalists, so they didn’t maintain the waterways in Somerset a few years ago causing massive floods.