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How long should this last ?

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vickymeldrew Sun 06-Dec-20 14:30:29

Yesterday’s football match between Millwall and Derby was marred by booing. Before matches now the players ‘take a knee’ to show support for the Black Lives Matter movement and some supporters took umbrage with this act and booed.
Is it time to end this homage and, if not, how long should it go on for ?

tanith Sun 06-Dec-20 14:41:41

Why does it need to end? Yesterday’s reaction by fans was proof that it needs to continue.

Riverwalk Sun 06-Dec-20 14:45:10

Couldn't agree more tanith - why should it end, does it affect you vickymeldrew?

I have to suffer God Save the Queen before lots of events - should that end?

vickymeldrew Sun 06-Dec-20 14:53:06

I’m just curious to hear points of view on this. I know it’s a different thing, but our evening clapping for the NHS was a temporary tribute.

MaizieD Sun 06-Dec-20 15:14:58

I think it's up to the footballers to decide when it would be appropriate to stop.

I agree with other posters, the behaviour of the fans who booed shows that it needs to continue.

EllanVannin Sun 06-Dec-20 18:15:30

It should only have been during the time it was deemed necessary/important with the unlawful killing of an unarmed man by a member of the police force.

The more the kneeling carries on the more it is going to create hostile behaviour.

EllanVannin Sun 06-Dec-20 18:17:48

And the bigger the divide between races----it's ridiculous ! The world's divided enough without causing further agitation.

Esspee Sun 06-Dec-20 18:27:00

It is woke virtue signalling and I would join in the booing myself.
I believe black lives matter, I believe every life matters. I have always believed in equality. That doesn’t mean I have to support the continuing demonstrations at sporting events.

It was a powerful symbol at the time and place the terrible murder took place. It is not needed here.

Urmstongran Sun 06-Dec-20 18:28:37

Time to stop showboating now. I think the fans just want to watch a game of football (which they’ve bought tickets for) and in my opinion are entitled to enjoy it without a political message. I think the booing just said ‘oh get on with the bluddy match’ more than any racial slur.

Imagine us going out for a meal, or to the theatre and the staff all ‘took a knee’! Enough now.

Casdon Sun 06-Dec-20 18:29:12

Unfortunately Millwall are famed for having the most disrespectful of fans in the U.K., despite all attempts to weed out the minority.

One of the worst experiences of my life was when I took my then 7 year old daughter Christmas shopping in Cardiff, on a day Millwall were playing Cardiff. They had police cars, vans, horses and foot patrol to escort the fans back to the station after the match, and they literally rampaged down the main shopping street shouting anti-Welsh abuse, knocking people over on their way, it was horrendous.

I hope with only 2000 fans in the stadium they will be able to pick up the offenders on camera and ban and convict them, it’s disgraceful.

Esspee Sun 06-Dec-20 18:41:37

The “offenders” Casdon? Convict them? How ridiculous!

They were booing, peacefully showing their opposition to (as Urmstongran said) the showboating they were being subjected to.

Time to put a stop to this in sport vickymeldrew.

merlotgran Sun 06-Dec-20 18:52:57

I think people are just weary. Weary of restrictions, worrying about loved ones, anxiety about jobs, bills, fed up with the same old news every day.

The powerful message put across by the BLM movement has not diminished. Protest fatigue is nothing new and I'm not surprised some are objecting to constant expectations of showing support.

I wonder what the reaction to the Vicar of Dibley taking the knee will be?

Can we not just have a comedy half hour without virtue signalling? hmm

Esspee Sun 06-Dec-20 18:58:48

vickymeldrew. What are your feelings on the subject?

lemongrove Sun 06-Dec-20 19:09:03

merlotgran 😃👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I think exactly that.
Millwall fans in the past have been very racist of course, ( as have some other football club fans) but continually pushing the political BLM case like this will do more harm than good.

Lucca Sun 06-Dec-20 19:09:32

Esspee

It is woke virtue signalling and I would join in the booing myself.
I believe black lives matter, I believe every life matters. I have always believed in equality. That doesn’t mean I have to support the continuing demonstrations at sporting events.

It was a powerful symbol at the time and place the terrible murder took place. It is not needed here.

You would join in the booing ? Oh dear, how rude.

How long does it last ? I.e. how long do the poor dear spectators have to wait for their football ?

EllanVannin Sun 06-Dec-20 19:10:33

How about a Britain Against Poverty movement ?

I've just watched a docu. about Burnley and it's left me devastated. Even the vicar/priest broke down at what he witnessed when the van containing food parcels stopped in an area where people had literally nothing. It was truly heartbreaking and shouldn't be allowed to go on. One poor soul with cancer hadn't seen a carer for 6 months----she'd literally been forgotten.

Ramblingrose22 Sun 06-Dec-20 22:35:44

I would support a Britain Against poverty movement or campaign.

I saw a report on BBC News about poverty in Burnley and it was very moving. Was there a whole programme on it EllanV as well please as I'd like to find it on BBC i-Player or ITV Hub if there is.

Not sure if this relates to the OP however!

Nanof3 Sun 06-Dec-20 22:56:52

Dawn french in the upcoming Vicar of Dibley has shot herself in the foot. No one watches a lighthearted comedy programme to be lectured. The BBC has gone too far this time
especially as many feel it is already too woke it will be interesting to see if they publish the viewing figures.

Summerlove Sun 06-Dec-20 23:35:39

vickymeldrew

Yesterday’s football match between Millwall and Derby was marred by booing. Before matches now the players ‘take a knee’ to show support for the Black Lives Matter movement and some supporters took umbrage with this act and booed.
Is it time to end this homage and, if not, how long should it go on for ?

Until Black Lives Matter as much as white ones.

Summerlove Sun 06-Dec-20 23:37:14

entitled to enjoy it without a political message.

Does that mean we do away with national anthems as well?

misty34 Sun 06-Dec-20 23:44:12

I agree it is time for it to end. It would be ridiculous to go on for ever and it would loose any impact that was intended.

Summerlove Mon 07-Dec-20 00:54:26

Imagine if people had said the same about women’s suffrage.

Im constantly disappointed in people.

rosecarmel Mon 07-Dec-20 02:48:10

I don't believe athletes will stop kneeling- And I dont believe entitled white people will stop booing and engaging in hatred for sport, as they always have-

vegansrock Mon 07-Dec-20 05:44:50

There is so much racism at football matches - booing black players and monkey chants are just routine. Maybe some of you would join in with that as well. A small ant racist gesture should not cause such outrage , If that’s a sign the club want to root out racism then it should continue until they do. Why is it woke to be anti racist? I don’t get it.

Loislovesstewie Mon 07-Dec-20 06:08:45

I think lots of people, in these very trying times, just want to go to watch football. They want a couple of hours when they don't have to think about COVID-19,and all that entails, whether they will have a job in the not-too-distant future as well as all of the other issues that we all have.
Yes, I know Millwall have that reputation, but sometimes people are just fed up with the world and want an escape from it.