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The NFU have been found out

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GillT57 Sat 12-Dec-20 11:41:55

We are frequently assured that farmers knew what they were voting for when the majority of them voted out. So, why is this being kept secret? It has been found that many are pushing for the introduction of neonicotinoids after Brexit, because as we all know, those pesky EU people with their health and safety laws don't permit their use. For reference: George Monbiot on Twitter This is massive and horrific @NFU TWEETS is secretly lobbying the government to allow #Neonicotinoids pesticides to be reintroduced after Brexit. It tells its members "Please refrain from sharing this on social media"

Fecklar Sat 12-Dec-20 11:45:17

Doesn’t surprise me, this country will go backwards. The old banned substances will be back. The employment laws will change and it’ll be back to the dark ages.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 12-Dec-20 11:55:30

If they want to trade with the EU then they are being extraordinarily stupid

Namsnanny Sat 12-Dec-20 12:00:44

Agreed Wwmk2

GillT57 Sat 12-Dec-20 12:08:51


If they want to trade with the EU then they are being extraordinarily stupid

Yes, but isn't this supposed to be one of Johnson's 'stumbling blocks'? He wants to trade with the Eu without adhering to the regulations set for the entire EU. That is apart from the alarming health implications for the introduction of these toxic products. Just when you think things can't get any worse, along comes another. I fully expect that the UK will withdraw from the clean water initiatives which gave us Blue Flag beaches, The Daily Express will probably start campaigning for good old British sh*t in the water again now that those meddling foreigners can't tell us what to do.

MaizieD Sat 12-Dec-20 12:36:42

Yes, but isn't this supposed to be one of Johnson's 'stumbling blocks'? He wants to trade with the Eu without adhering to the regulations set for the entire EU.

But wasn't it clear right from Day 1 that we would have to conform to EU standards if we wanted to trade with them?

Isn't that what made the EU a 'Good Thing' because they required all countries that traded with them to trade goods that complied with EU standards, so consumers within the EU could be confident in the quality and safety of everything that was imported?

The campaign against neonicotinoids was pretty strong in the UK.

But we also know that a strong Leave vote position was the cutting of red tape and standards. So we shouldn't be surprised. Farmers aren't all saints... and they have a living to earn...

petra Sat 12-Dec-20 13:11:48


If they want to trade with the EU then they are being extraordinarily stupid

Tell that to the French farmers. The French government has lifted the ban on these pesticides.

NotSpaghetti Sat 26-Dec-20 09:29:47

petra I don't think the French Government lifted the ban - I understood that it was a temporary suspension for a specific crop.

I am not condoning it - but several EU countries have allowed this. I don't think they are even able to "lift the ban" according to EU rules.

The point, as I see it (as GillT57 reports) is the sneaky way the NFU is trying to stop the request from getting out to the public.

David0205 Sat 26-Dec-20 11:29:51

Neonicotinoids have been banned for all crops and is unlikely to be changed by the EU, although they are still allowed for garden use, several commercial products contain them. That is a battle that I think the environmentalists will win, there has been a notable decline in insects of all kinds over the last few years. Although none of us like creepy crawlies, flying insects for birds are important, as are pollinators and neonicotinoids have been used on a very wide scale it’s not just Oilseed.

If the UK does permit that and other chemicals it may well limit exports but the big issue will be traceability. If imports from other countries are allowed there will be much less control over chemical use on crops. There is also the GM issue, will they be permitted in the UK?, insect or disease resistance is a good aim to reduce chemical use, dont be surprised to see some changes there.

MaizieD Sat 26-Dec-20 11:57:30

From what I've read so far it appears that tariff free access to the EU market will depend on UK conformity to EU standards and legislation.

It's seems likely that the EU ban on neonicotinoids will have to still apply to UK farming methods.

25Avalon Sat 26-Dec-20 12:02:52

You can’t trust the NFU. Not all farmers agree with them.

Callistemon Sat 26-Dec-20 12:12:58

Whilst not exactly fake news, this is "genetically modified news", to coin a phrase.

It is proposed to use a very strictly limited amount of Neonicotinoids asxan emergency move on a small and strictly limited area on a non-flowering crop ie sugar beet, which would otherwise be decimated by a virus.

“Virus Yellows disease is having an unprecedented harmful impact on Britain’s sugar beet crop this year, with some growers experiencing yield losses of up to 80%. There are currently no other effective protections against this disease and there are serious concerns about the future viability of home grown sugar as a result.

"The application was not made in secret, in fact it was reported upon in the media three weeks ago."


MaizieD Sat 26-Dec-20 12:23:15

Does it have clearance from the EU, Callistomen?

Who was 'the application' made to?

Callistemon Sat 26-Dec-20 12:24:18

Countries across Europe are exploiting a loophole to allow widespread continued use of bee-killing neonicotinoid pesticides, two years after the EU introduced a landmark ban on their use.

The EU agreed a ban on all outdoor uses of the neonicotinoid insecticides clothianidin, imidacloprid, and thiamethoxam on 27 April 2018, in order to protect bees.

However, an Unearthed investigation has found that in the two years since the ban was agreed, EU countries have issued at least 67 different “emergency authorisations” for outdoor use of these chemicals.

In many cases these authorisations were granted repeatedly, or without any apparent evidence of an unusual or ‘emergency’ situation as justification.,in%20order%20to%20protect%20bees.&text=This%20means%20countries%20are%20repeatedly,and%20pollinators%20in%20the%20process.%E2%80%9D

I like to unearth the facts before judging.

petra Sat 26-Dec-20 13:15:31

Thank you for finding the truth.

Callistemon Sat 26-Dec-20 13:18:42

Of course countries are trying to find loopholes when they have a local problem which does need drastic action to nip in the bud before it spreads and crops are devastated and people starve.

As someone pointed out the other day re Macron and the lorry drivers - they are exercising their sovereignty.

MaizieD Sat 26-Dec-20 13:23:52

Thanks, Callistomen

Callistemon Sat 26-Dec-20 14:12:02

I think most farmers realise that a widespread use of Neonicotinoids would, in fact, be bad for their industry in the long-term as insects are needed to pollinate crops.
However, whilst not desirable, a very limited and strictly controlled use is sometimes needed.

Farmers are not stupid, irresponsible oafs.

paddyanne Sat 26-Dec-20 14:27:43

I dont know about ALL farmers but Scottish farmers who supply vast amounts of seed potatoes to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds have not been protected in the "deal" they have overnight lost all their customers.Well done Bojo..yet another reason for Independence

Callistemon Sat 26-Dec-20 17:06:05

I did hear that, paddyanne

Why won't the EU accept them any longer? They will be no different to those produced previously.

They are a vital part of the Scottish and North of England economy and I can't understand why.

Eloethan Sat 26-Dec-20 17:15:35

This is the sort of thing that happens when people talk about getting rid of "red tape".

growstuff Sat 26-Dec-20 17:31:57

The Scottish seed potato exports to the EU and NI are worth about £13.5 million (not hundreds of millions).

It's because the UK has to be given third country status to be able to export foodstuffs to the EU. It will automatically gain that status on 1 January 2021, but seed potatoes aren't covered. As far as I can tell, a separate agreement will need to be negotiated.

Fennel Sat 26-Dec-20 18:35:20

what do you expect when our farmers are going to have to grow enough veg and fruit to support our population of 70 million or more?
without help from immigrants?

NotSpaghetti Sat 26-Dec-20 20:08:44

Seed potatoes are seed not foodstuffs.

growstuff Sat 26-Dec-20 20:15:20


Seed potatoes are seed not foodstuffs.

Exactly! That's why they're not covered.