This is utterly shameful

I am no admirer of ReesMogg or his politics, but there are some silly attitudes here. Of course he’s well-educated. Eton and a degree in history from Trinity College, Oxford equals well-educated as far as I’m concerned. As for his accent, why shouldn’t that be natural to him, given his background?

You accuse me of posting claptrap when you have just claimed that JRM is involved in bringing back workhouses!

Honestly WWM2 you have lost all credibility now!

JenniferEccles

I agree 25Avalon Nasty, small minded sneering comments, but he is a Tory so is deemed to be fair game. Plus of course he is well educated, well spoken and has committed the ultimate sin in being wealthy.

None of you posting all this vitriol have any way of knowing how much of JRM’s income goes to supporting charities do you?

So many threads are driven by posters who seem to be seething with anger about absolutely everything connected to government ministers and of course Brexit.

Do you wonder that a lot of more reasonable people have long since given up and just let the rest of you rant and rave amongst yourselves?

But I do know how much tax he hadn’t paid, and I suspect if Mogg ever gives to charities it is proportionally no more or less than a lot of us give.

Well educated!! My children are well educated and give a lot more to society than Mogg has ever done.

The accent is an affectation that the silly man has adopted.

There is absolutely no sin in being wealthy. The sin lies in ensuring that tax is not paid to the country that has provided him with comfort and security.

You are talking clap trap.

I have just read that Mogg told a parliamentary select committee that he is in favour of bringing back workhouses.

I agree 25Avalon Nasty, small minded sneering comments, but he is a Tory so is deemed to be fair game. Plus of course he is well educated, well spoken and has committed the ultimate sin in being wealthy.

None of you posting all this vitriol have any way of knowing how much of JRM’s income goes to supporting charities do you?

So many threads are driven by posters who seem to be seething with anger about absolutely everything connected to government ministers and of course Brexit.

Do you wonder that a lot of more reasonable people have long since given up and just let the rest of you rant and rave amongst yourselves?

I was going to comment on JRM's supposed Christianity but see someone beat me to it. Camel and eye of needle springs to mind.

Unpleasantness and bad language? How twee!

Was it not unpleasant for JRM to be so sneering?

And this thread will not be deleted by my use of the word shit, to describe JRM.

He also happens to be a good constituency MP. Why this vitriolic attack? This unpleasantness and lack of being able to express oneself without resorting to bad language is what puts people off of these topics on Grans Net and ultimately end in the thread being deleted.

Riverwalk

Many GN members used to be fans of JRM, oh he's so polite and a gentleman, and other rubbish.

Haven't heard much from them since he stabbed Theresa May in the back, when she was on the political ropes, with his snide ' shall I write a letter?' (to the 1922 committee) calling for her resignation.

He's a a piece of sneering shit, IMO.

???pleased to see that you haven’t held back

Many GN members used to be fans of JRM, oh he's so polite and a gentleman, and other rubbish.

Haven't heard much from them since he stabbed Theresa May in the back, when she was on the political ropes, with his snide ' shall I write a letter?' (to the 1922 committee) calling for her resignation.

He's a a piece of sneering shit, IMO.

We pay Mogg £89k a year for the sort of rhetoric he has spouted this week. And children continue to be hungry.

It started with austerity, and it is almost certain that Sunak intends to reintroduce austerity. The poor cannot take much more.

Perhaps Mogg could draw down some of his fortune squirrelled in Grand Cayman and on which no tax has been paid to the U.K. government to help alleviate the situation.

The Government has provided 400 million £ for children in food poverty.

Southwark Council approach UNICEF for £25,000.

The latter gets the most publicity!!!!

It is wrong that children are hungry in the UK, it is also wrong to say the Government has not done anything to alleviate the situation, still more needs to be done though.

“Jacob Rees-Mogg proves beyond any doubt that being a Christian does not make you a moral, decent person.”

It’s the proportions that are the problem. At one end of the scale are poor people who haven’t 2 half pennies to rub together and at the other end you have stinking rich including massively overpaid footballers, and the rest in between. Quite frankly if I earned what some of the top dogs earn like £500,000 a year minimum I wouldn’t know how to spend it. Ok there would be tax on it but still a lotta money. In my case for my favourite charities.

Greeneyedgirl

It is not communist to want a more level playing for people who start out disadvantaged through accident of birth, or circumstances beyond their control, and never catch up.

I’m not anti capitalist per se either, but unfettered capitalism only protects the rich, but depends on many others, however hard they may work, staying at the bottom of the heap. It’s how the system functions.

I agree. I suppose communism was a poor example. I only used it to say that even communism, which sells itself as equality for all, evolves into “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer”.

George Orwell’s “Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” illustrates the problem we humans have with being fair to everyone in society.

We should be like New Zealand and measure our progress in terms of well-being rather than GDP. www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/07/11/new-zealand-ditches-gdp-for-happiness-and-wellbeing/

It is not communist to want a more level playing for people who start out disadvantaged through accident of birth, or circumstances beyond their control, and never catch up.

I’m not anti capitalist per se either, but unfettered capitalism only protects the rich, but depends on many others, however hard they may work, staying at the bottom of the heap. It’s how the system functions.

Definition of a civilized country surely must be: one that looks after its weak, its poor, its frail, the sick and the lonely as well as those whose lifestyle is chaotic.

Can we call ourselves civilized?

I don’t think they are comparing the poverty in other countries to excuse our own government. They are just trying to point out to those who think that only our government has got it wrong, that it is a far more widespread problem across Europe and the rest of the world.

I think that they are. There are a number of different reasons for countries being poor, and so their citizens being poor, but we have no excuse. As I said earlier, the UK is a wealthy 'country'. We don't have any shortage of food, nor, until the pandemic hit, were were short of jobs, so poverty in the UK is not caused by food poverty or lack of paid employment, unlike many third world/developing countries.

So why should people, a very significant number of them in work be so poor that they have to resort to food banks?

The only conclusion I can come to is that they are not paid enough to take them out of poverty. And this is a function of how our capitalist economic system works.

I am not at all anti capitalism per se, but it is not right when it concentrates a country's wealth and resources in the hands of a few and leaves many people poor.

The answer to this has to be a philosophical and ideological. What compelling reason is there that a few people should accumulate and monopolise a country's resources? Why should people be kept poor?

This is not 'communist' thought; this is asking about valuing people's lives. About whether 'governments' should consider all citizens worthy of a reasonable life, no matter what they do to 'earn' a living, or whether it should believe that everything should go to those with the strongest will to accumulate resources and let the weaker go to the wall? Survival of those regarded as 'the fittest' or support for all?

Thank you growstuff

What’s wrong with everybody? We have a dysfunctional society and we are quibbling about aid to feed children.
It’s the whole bloody system that’s wrong. No good putting a sticking plaster on a fundamental problem.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's comment about Unicef was breathtaking, especially seen in the context of his company being registered in the Cayman Islands and not paying a penny in Corporation Tax on their vast profits.

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

UK gives UNICEF 100 million pounds annually, I am trying to find the article.

I thought it was a charitable organisation?

It is, but (according to Wiki) approximately two thirds of its income comes from governments. The rest comes from various fund raising activities.

That's not an uncommon arrangement. For example, my local council gives about £250,000 every year to the CAB and donates smaller amounts to other charities.

Thanks. I could have found out really but feeling very lazy this evening.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

UK gives UNICEF 100 million pounds annually, I am trying to find the article.

I thought it was a charitable organisation?

It is, but (according to Wiki) approximately two thirds of its income comes from governments. The rest comes from various fund raising activities.

That's not an uncommon arrangement. For example, my local council gives about £250,000 every year to the CAB and donates smaller amounts to other charities.