New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

We won't be rejoining any time soon

I would welcome anyone who believed they were in any shackles to tell us what they could not personally do whilst in the EU that they can do now.

Boris cornered Starmer this afternoon. The EU debate is finished.

There is no Remain or Leave now. . After 4.5y let’s use that energy to heal division and think about the UK and making it a great country for our kids.

Let's all stop hating. It's over, done and finished.

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There are thousands applying forIrish passports who don’t believe they are in any shackles, but prefer the protection and freedoms that the EU gives them me included thanks.

I’m not sure if I can join in Urms as I didn’t vote (I was in mi Casa and missed it?) and had no strong feelings on the subject.

However I AM glad that the result of the referendum has been respected and that we’re finally out with a deal that both sides are happy with and we can move onwards.

So here’s my contribution to the celebration ? and I look forward to new horizons (if not sunny ? uplands)

Not trusting those polls still are you WW?
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Most people have changed their minds who originally voted for brexit

Welcome to our very HAPPY band who are delighted tonight Jaberwok!
Take a recommend yourself.
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C’mon shy people. I’m totally convinced you’re out there.
Jump on here just this once to join in the joy of Brexit!
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There are plenty with spines and principles who voted for Brexit Whitewavemark; I don't know why some of those who didn't insist on trying to take the moral high ground.

We've had some pretty loud voices since the referendum telling us that result could be overturned and if it wasn't we would leave without a deal. They were wrong about that so whose to say they're right to they say "we will rejoin one day".

Johnson might like us to think that he has settled our place in Europe, but in the process he has debased the integrity of our democracy, has degraded and damaged the UKs reputation throughout the world in the name of sovereignty which the ERG accepted this week we had never lost in the first place.
As individuals we have been stripped of our rights right across Europe and th U.K.
There are masses of losses across the board, including the United Kingdom’s cohesion.

Johnson and the loons might like to think that it is all behind us “once and for all” and Starmer might be happy to go along, but those with spine and principles think otherwise.

Brexiters will always have that little voice reminding them that

“We will rejoin one day.”

Dougan

After all these years I was finding it difficult to believe that the deal has actually been completed, but I saw the plane, and saw Boris sign the document, so it must be true and I'm absolutely delighted.???

Yay! Another celebrant.
Take a recommend GG13!
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Cheers ????

Where’s GabriellaG54 when we need her?
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Woohoo ?

Indeed LauraNorder !
Take a recommend too.
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I’m convinced there are many on GN who are pleased Brexit has finally been delivered!

This day is high on ceremony, the Brexit trade deal has been signed in Brussels before being brought to London aboard an RAF jet for the Prime Minister to sign the document at No 10.

In Parliament, our MPs and peers were recalled from their Christmas break and have sped through the European Union (Future Relationship) Bill through all of its stages so that it can become law by the end of the day, including the granting of Royal Assent by the Queen.

It will then come into effect at 11pm tomorrow night – midnight Brussels time – when the Brexit transition period ends and Britain formally leaves the single market and the customs union.

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?A very happy bunny here Urms ?

Well said Lucretia and Smileless
Take a recommend!
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Any more lurkers out there who would just like to post how happy they actually are at this historic moment?
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C’mon. Be brave!
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No, you're not a lone voice Urmstongran and although I don't often post on the news and politics forum, I read the threads and I for one am thankful for your sensible and optimistic posts. Thank you.

Well, I find the death of democracy too upsetting to accept it without making my feelings known.

So don't expect the gloom to lift any time soon...

We need you, Urmstongran!

I find it difficult to be so negative

The vote didn't go my way but I'm sure that the world will still turn and its pointless to dwell too much

We're all insignificant in the greater scheme of things

So I share your optimism

Is no-one excited that we are free of the shackles of the EU? I can’t be the lone voice, surely?

Yes there were benefits but we won’t sink you know. Things will be done differently but I truly believe that things will be done better on our own. We can be nimble (look at the roll out earlier than the EU of the vaccine thanks to our own scientists). We can prosper mightily!

I’m happy anyway.
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So many gloomy posts on GN threads!

MaizieD Wed 30-Dec-20 18:42:07

The future looks very grim...

My father said that in 1951.

At the end of WW2 it was expected that Churchill would win the election with a landslide, instead it was Clement Richard Attlee, 1st Earl Attlee, KG, OM, CH, PC, FRS who came to power. His government brought in the welfare revolution. We had the welfare state, the NHS and nationalised power, as in coal and steel, as well as nationalised distribution. To quote Jeremy Corbin, it was most definitely a program, for the many not the few.

In 1951, to my father's despair, Attlee lost the general election, but my Dad remembered Churchill's words in 1945, when he had lost to Attlee. "If it's good enough for the British people, it's good enough for me. Dad told me, through gritted teeth, that if you don't accept the ballot, the alternative is the bullet. That's why I have always accepted the result of any ballot.

If you remember, Farage said before the referendum that if the result was narrowly in favour of Remain, he would go on pushing for a rerun...

One thing is for sure though. If the result had been the reverse there would have not been any argument. Cameron would have claimed it as a mandate and that would have been that. Nobody would have said it was a close call, Brexit supporters would have been dismissed as poor losers.

Lots of ifs...

If the referendum had been properly constructed and mandatory instead of advisory there would have been much more confidence in the validity of the result. As it was, the result was so close that a period of planning ang consultation should have taken place. As it was, the tories panicked, panicked to a man and woman and completely lost whatever small amounts of sense they ever had.

From first to last it's been a complete and utter pigs ear.

Now we have had Parliamentary democracy completely removed from us. The Bill just passed by the Commons was an Enabling Act. It gave the Executive unlimited powers, and, what is more, gave it the powers to over ride the devolved governments..

The future looks very grim...