New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

GillT57

Urmstongran

Remember when Remain promised us house prices would drop 30% if we voted Leave?

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Remember when leave promised £350m a week for the NHS? Anyone seen that bus lately?

Doesn't that start next week, GillT57?

Urmstongran

Remember when Remain promised us house prices would drop 30% if we voted Leave?

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Remember when leave promised £350m a week for the NHS? Anyone seen that bus lately?

A comment I’ve just read -

We had to throw our fish at the Common Market in order to join and now we’ve had to throw our fish at the European Union in order to leave.

How true!

“It is an OK deal for trade in goods. Except for a mountain of very expensive and burdensome red tape, that is. And red tape and burdens on business are the thing the Tories always supposedly hated.

And the priority on the trade in goods also makes no sense for a service economy, which we are since the Tories abandoned manufacturing.

Plus, the deal leaves financial services, that are supposedly our greatest success story, and the biggest suppliers of funds to the Tories, in limbo.

We lost sovereignty in Northern Ireland. The UK is now in the extraordinary position of having an internal border and part of its territory within a trading bloc and the rest not.

And what did we win for all this? Freedom from the European Court of Justice? Was there anything else?

objectively it’s an awful deal that we’re going to long regret. And from that fact (for fact it is) it’s going to be hard to move on.”

Murphy

This, today from Nigel Farage:

“Lord Frost and Mr Johnson have paid a heavy price to get this deal over the line, but they have done far better than their predecessors and they do deserve some credit.

The most important point about this deal is that it will end the anti-Brexit hysteria. There is no going back. The grass-roots campaign to win back Britain’s independence has triumphed against the Westminster establishment. That, surely, is worth celebrating.”

Remember when leave said that we would still be in the single market. That Turkey we’re going to join the EU. That there was no danger of companies leaving the U.K......

Remember when Remain promised us house prices would drop 30% if we voted Leave?

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lemongrove

*Lucca*.... damn! I left out ‘tweeting’ in my bird imagery ?
Although strictly speaking the ‘squeaking’ should really be attributed to a mouse.

I actually read squawking not squeaking - which would actually have been in keeping with the bird theme lol

Whitewave since that piece of news ( EU signs off the Brexit deal) was announced on the news by the BBC it was worth putting as a comment on here.

Lucca.... damn! I left out ‘tweeting’ in my bird imagery ?
Although strictly speaking the ‘squeaking’ should really be attributed to a mouse.

No leaver who was backing getting full control of our waters, sending in the gunboats, or no border in the Irish sea and applauded walking away with no deal can explain why they are supporting this treaty. Is it just they just aren't interested in the detail? Also why are those who wanted to extract from the bureaucracy of the EU welcoming a whole whale of more bureaucracy? Is it another demonstration of the lies and hypocrisy which have surrounded this shambles?
Welcome to little England.

Urmstongran

BREAKING NEWS:
Just confirmed in the Indy -
EU signs off the Brexit deal.
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Oh ug the 27 countries knew exactly what was being negotiated?. Democracy at work.

Our Parliament were clueless and are trying to work their way through the treaty before Wednesday, when the so called debate will take place and voted on.

It’s a joke and nowhere remotely like the democratic process that took place in Europe.

GrannyGravy13

“It is the Financial Services share of UK total economic output” Source statistica 2020

Financial services only account for 7% of the services sector, insurance, banking and investment, most of it home consumed, net export is a modest £44bn. The other 93% of services are retail, transport, catering, distribution and any other activity we pay for that is not manufactured.

No grievance on my behalf

Urmstongran like you I always believed that there would be a deal ??

GrannyGravy13

Lucca constantly being asked to explain ones vote, day in and day out by the same individuals could definitely be described as bullying but I for one just ignore it as do many other posters who voted leave.

Isn't it quite a while since you were asked to explain your vote?

You're clearly good at holding on to a grievance.

We're all entitled to point out what a bad idea it was, though...

GrannyGravy13

Lucca constantly being asked to explain ones vote, day in and day out by the same individuals could definitely be described as bullying but I for one just ignore it as do many other posters who voted leave.

Thing is you are asked but don’t explain ! Apart from Take Back Control !
Anyway the suns out now so have a good day,

That is good news Urmstongran

I for one.....ok. Heat and kitchen spring to mind.

Kandonsky fortunately you dont have the power to tell people what they can talk about.

Lucca constantly being asked to explain ones vote, day in and day out by the same individuals could definitely be described as bullying but I for one just ignore it as do many other posters who voted leave.

There are many things in history that are “over” and “done” but continue to merit discussion surely ?

All this arguing is pointless, we’ve left!

What arguing, Kandinsky? We're trying to discuss the Trading Partnership deal.

^ Farage was ( is ) very charismatic - people warmed to his ‘say it as it is’ personality & agreed with him.^

Such a shame that it was nothing but a load of racism and whopping great lies.

GrannyGravy13

There has never been a group of posters more ganged upon than those who admitted to voting to leave the EU or the worse sin ever on the political threads - to have voted Conservative!!!!

Anyone doubting the above should perhaps read again some of the past ^Brexit Threads-

Wrong sorry, that’s just the usual whinge from Tory voters when questioned.
Everyone is welcome to vote how they like express their views etc
I like to read these threads and am always impressed by the knowledge displayed but admit to getting a tad irritated by “sound bites”
I was merely amused by the bird imagery in lemongrove ‘s post.

All this arguing is pointless, we’ve left!
It just seems like hardcore remainers want to keep the arguments going with leavers - they won’t be satisfied until every leave voter whacks themselves on the bottom with a great big stick ( a’la Basil Fawlty ) for being so silly & reckless.

Just give up fgs, it’s over, it’s done.
Yes I know some MP’s have moaned about the EU for decades, but you never had intense discussions about it on Internet forums, never.
You will clearly never be happy until we’ve rejoined, so start a ‘rejoin’ party!
Nigel Farage & UKIP were the reason we left the EU, and like it or not, Farage was ( is ) very charismatic - people warmed to his ‘say it as it is’ personality & agreed with him.

You need a strong ‘personality’ and really good arguments for rejoining ( not that we will for years - if ever )

BREAKING NEWS:
Just confirmed in the Indy -
EU signs off the Brexit deal.
?