New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

LauraNorder

In June 2016. The British public voted to leave the EU. For the following three and a half years we were told by remainers that all these old folk had now died and the young voters coming up wanted to remain in the EU. In December 2019, Boris Johnson decided to put this to the test and waltzed back in to government with an eighty seat majority.
We are out of the EU, we have left. Time we all got behind our country and worked at making it a great place to live, to work and to be part of a big wide world.
My own personal feeling is that the EU will implode as there are too many weak economies being propped up by a few relatively strong ones, not sustainable in my view.

I'm very happy to get behind my country. Why wouldn't I be? It used to have values I share.

Brexit was as much about a cultural war as anything. I most certainly don't share the values of people who voted Brexit and I don't think those who voted to remain do either.

Why on earth should I start to accept values I despise? People who voted to leave are going to have to learn to live with that.

Anyone in GB doing trade with Northern Ireland will now notice the difference (but Eire will cash in)

The Partnership Council is to be set up to oversee the relationship between the U.K. and EU. It’s decisions will be binding.

It will spend 50% of its time in London and 50% in Brussels.

Well at least the U.K. is now 50% free from Europe?

I don't know why that last part of my post was printed twice but it is worth repeating.

There is a saying that you never appreciate what you had until you lose it.

We are facing a much, much more difficult future than if we had remained, so there is no cause for celebration, unless you count the avoidance of a no-deal brexit, which would have been marginally worse than this farcical so-called "deal".

We had a great deal as EU members, the best of any member country. There is a saying that you never appreciate what you had until you lose it. appreciate what you had until

At the time of the fraudulent referendum, 17 million of the 67 million people in the UK voted leave and it is true that a disproportionate number were old so many will have since died.

Johnson only "waltzed back into government with a massive majority" because we live in a sham democracy and the majority who voted against him did not get proportional representation in the HoC.

We had a fantastic deal, but we left it. This is marginally better than no deal, but will allow Johnson to grandstand and claim it as a victory. Either way, we’re facing a very difficult 2021.

In June 2016. The British public voted to leave the EU. For the following three and a half years we were told by remainers that all these old folk had now died and the young voters coming up wanted to remain in the EU. In December 2019, Boris Johnson decided to put this to the test and waltzed back in to government with an eighty seat majority.
We are out of the EU, we have left. Time we all got behind our country and worked at making it a great place to live, to work and to be part of a big wide world.
My own personal feeling is that the EU will implode as there are too many weak economies being propped up by a few relatively strong ones, not sustainable in my view.

Many of the issues have definitely been kicked miles down the road, and this government will not be dealing with them.

The deal then only covers 20% of our trade with the EU. It is as many have commentated a very “thin” deal.

It is clear that there are many more years of negotiations to take place, and it seems that it has largely been an exercise in avoiding catastrophe by ensuring that things like hauliers, continue to have access to the EU.

One other good thing will be the reciprocal health arrangement. Whether that means a continuation of the health card, I am not yet clear.

Oh and by the way I will never apologise nor should anyone in the free world for exercising their democratic right to vote for whom they want ?

varian

That is true Lucretzia

Because we live in a sham democracy, the will of the ill-informed minority has prevailed.

The damage which has already been done to our economy, our society and our standing in the world is unlikely to be repaired in our lifetimes, possibly not even during the lives of our children.

It is time for the brexiters to stop gloating, hang their heads in shame and apologise.

Varian the only party to campaign solely on remaining in the EU at the last election were the Liberal Democrat’s they performed badly, lost seats including the party leader.

Opinion polls are only as accurate as the person answering them, depending on how the questions are phrased.

It is time for the brexiters to stop gloating, hang their heads in shame and apologise

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That is true Lucretzia

Because we live in a sham democracy, the will of the ill-informed minority has prevailed.

The damage which has already been done to our economy, our society and our standing in the world is unlikely to be repaired in our lifetimes, possibly not even during the lives of our children.

It is time for the brexiters to stop gloating, hang their heads in shame and apologise.

But what can anyone do about it, varian?

It doesn't matter how many polls there are saying people regret their vote.

What's done is done.

Over the last three and a half years surveys have asked "In hindsight do you think it was right or wrong for the UK to leave the EU?"

In 2 surveys the majority thought it was right.

In 120 surveys the majority thought it was wrong.

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/?removed

So information so far gleaned about the deal from the Observe
1. Fishing - EU boats will ontinue to fish in U.K. waters but U.K. boats will get a greater share of the fish. The EU quota with decrease by 25% over the next 5 years. There will then be annual talks to agree the amount EU boats can catch in U.K. waters, and uK boats can catch in EU waters.
U.K. fisherman have said the Johnson has “caved in”

2. Level playing field - both sides have agreed on a minimum level, of environmental, social and labour standards below which neither must go. Reviewed in 4 years.
ERG muttering about the ability of the EU to impose punitive tariffs if we fall below acceptable level of standards.
But why would we?

3.Transport - The agreement provided for continued air, road, rail and maritime connectivity. Hauliers will be able to drive without special permits.
4.Law - U.K. will no longer follow EU law. The ECJ remains the highest court of authority in NI
5 Tariffs- the deal covers trade worth £668bn a year to be sold without tariffs or quotas - avoiding 50% duties on meat/ dairy products.
6 State Aid- U.K. will introduce its own subsidy system
7. Science - U.K. will continue to participate in the Horizon Europe programme as a paying member for 7 years. Also remain membership in Copernicus.
8. State pensions-provides for updating of U.K. state pensions for ex-pats.m
9.Students- Erasmus has gone, replacement aims to allow students to study all over the world.
10. Security- cross border policing continues but no longer part of Europoort and EUs database -alerts about people, firearms, stolen items and vehicles.
The U.K. police has lost some of its most valuable tools. Chief amongst these is the SIS - a vast database providing real time alerts to locate terrorists and serious criminals. On an average day, the British security forces access SIS about 1.65 million times.
This represents a huge intelligence void.
This is just one of a number of serious loses and issues which represents a serious diminishing of security.

11 Services sector - represents 80% of U.K. income. It is the only sector with which the U.K. has a surplus of £18bn which can be usefully offset against our £79bn trade deficit with the EU..

Basic transaction have been negotiated but that is all. Brussels has said that they are not prepared to negotiate further until it is clear that the U.K. does not intend to diverge from eu regs.

The ERG continues to insist that the deal must pass the sovereignty test, but business is complaining that sovereignty has taken precedence over a good business deal, and it seems clear that this is the case as far as services are the case.

Where are all those who would "rather pay than give in"? I think "we should all be friends and move on" is wishful thinking by those who thought Brexit would be a simple process.

Me neither. Not interested in endless obsessing about a war and fighting battles that dont exist. And freedom of expression is very important to me so I hate the talk of fifth columns in terms of the press.

Blimey...the insults by those entrenched remain vote posters doesn’t stop does it? Never heard of ‘gammon’ applied to people before.It’s the last gasp of those who are furious with fellow UK citizens for not wanting to stay in the EU.
Should be ignored really, as immature remarks uttered by the permanently peeved.Since we are already out of the EU and now have a trade deal in place it’s high time to stop, realise where we are now and move on.
Most of the people will of course, and with Covid still around and more contagious as ever, then that’s what we need to worry about.
Resentment may bubble away on social media, but in the real world, life goes on.

Define success.

If success is sticking two fingers up at the French & talking about ‘we British’ nope, not interested

"I don't think 'pulling together' will work because we want different things". Surely we all want to make as much of a success of Brexit as possible!!

Yes agree Urmstongran

No but I cannot and will not support an increase in nationalism or an inward looking xenophobic Britain.

When the flag waving stops and the anti-Europe rhetoric dies down it might be easier to meet people half way.

Well we don't always get what we want, do we?