New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

And in the opinion of CNN-

"Brexit is finally done. It will leave the UK poorer"

edition.cnn.com/2020/12/24/business/brexit-deal-economy/index.html

I don’t think ‘pulling together’ will work because we want different things.

We're out of the EU, we're still European. We've got a deal, it's far from perfect but it is a starting point. Surely, this is the time when we all pull together to ensure that schemes that replace the ones we've lost are fit for purpose.
Of course there are hardened Leavers and hardened Remainers but there are many on both sides who want to forge a way forwards which will build on our connections with Europe but give us some autonomy too. It is those people who will make it work, not those who are not prepared to compromise in any shape or form.

Full NY Times article for anyone interested www.nytimes.com/2020/12/25/world/europe/brexit-britain-european-union.html

It’s description of a slow puncture is exactly what a number of friends who work in the City said shortly after the referendum.

“Brexit was always going to be a long-running hit to the U.K.’s competitiveness,” said Mr. Kibasi, the analyst. “But the way it’ll play out is by damaging investment in the U.K., so it’s a slow puncture, not a quick crash.”

Quite agree Urmstongran

I’m with Nezumi sad day

This is the view from the NY Times

Can certainly do more. Getting Irish passports for the rest of the family (not me, unfortunately not entitled and just missed out on a New Zealand passport. I can’t leave my house for more than a week anyway so doesn’t make much difference).

Also learning French & will join movements that encourage a closer relationship with the EU.

We are out of the EU at the stroke of midnight 31/12 please can the insults stop.

Anyway, back to the treaty - its a bit thin, , has sold out fishing, and northern Ireland, despite promises that this wouldnt happen, so can't think why those who were agitating for no deal think its a good thing. Its not that much difference from Mays deal that Johnson voted against.

firecracker please name one remain leader who spewed out hatred.

D’ya know what? Wouldn’t it be lovely if going forward we all stopped the silly slurs, divisive labelling and entrenched mindsets?

The UK is out of the UK now. And has a deal. A decent one too on the whole by the sounds of it. No-one howling anyway!

I’m of the opinion that most of the country are sick of Brexit. Talking about it, reading about it and seeing it on tv. Those who voted to remain in the EU (notice the kinder lowercase description there?) will continue to find, cut & paste or regurgitate articles and facts (yes of course - there are some) to back up their stance. Others, like me, continue in the same vein to back up our entrenched ‘leave the EU’ decision.

I fully believe the vast majority in the middle are about sick to the back teeth of the subject. They, like a friend of mine, ignore it as much as possible. She says the sun will still shine, the world will still turn and the grass will still grow!

As said up thread no-one can do anything about it now - except cheer, jeer or shrug their shoulders.
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It’s time to move on in my opinion. x

Yes but surely its not a slur on the person's race, any more than gender, age or class, its their views which are the key here. It was applied in the leave campaign to certain leave leaders who fitted the bill. when it came to their views. Th fact that we all know what it refers to , means that it came into common parlance.

vegansrock

Gammon nothing to do with race or colour- it’s the typical Brexit leader who got all frothy at the mouth when spewing out hatred. The ones who agitated for no deal.

That's just wrong.

It's been in use since 2012. Long before Brexit

Not sure why there are people saying gammon doesn't refer to white people ... or men should I say!

Of course it does. Just look in any dictionary

This from the Cambridge Online Dictionary

a white man who is middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old) and whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right):
He's just an old gammon stuck in the past.
What an unpleasant bunch of angry, dim-witted gammon they are.

It's just a silly slur.

What's the name for an agitated Remainer then lol there seems to be plenty of them spewing out hatred.

Answers on a postcard please ?

England sold half its fishing quotas to Dutch, Spanish and Icelandic companies

.....or "with whom we do not agree"........ my OH would have had a fit to see my bad grammar!

Gammon nothing to do with race or colour- it’s the typical Brexit leader who got all frothy at the mouth when spewing out hatred. The ones who agitated for no deal.

I am just glad it is heading towards being sorted. I do not think I could have listened to another news bulletin on it all. It is out of my hands; I am powerless here. We just have to grit our teeth and deal with whatever comes.

I am concerned about the fishing industry - I know in some ways it is a small issue - but it is a large part of what made many people vote to leave: the feeling that our own waters (as an island) were not there for us to fish to the benefit of the UK fishing communities. If I have grasped it right the new rules do not put us on a par with other countries and their waters.

Down the road from me there is a house where they always have a huge union jack on a tall flagpole - they now have a second pole and a second large flag which has part union jack and part EU flags divided by the word BREXIT in large capitals. Now why would you do that? It is all so much more subtle than that and this divisive "camp" mentality has been so distasteful over the last few years. As with everything we need to listen to those we do not agree with.

Got that wrong Kandinsky its a descriptive name for the fat cats in government ,and industry. Flushed and overweight like prime gammon.Not a million miles from the chief clown Bojo ,feeding off the country

I agree Kandinsky it's a disgusting remark. It's a derogatory term for white people. Imagine if we were insulting people of colour.

Gammon is a pejorative popularised in British political culture since around 2012. The term refers in particular to the colour of a person's flushed face when expressing their strong opinions, as compared to the type of pork of the same name.
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I cant even begin to describe the benefits erasmus brought to primary school children in my area, particularly to those from low income families.

NannyJan53.
In the world yes,minus shackles.

Urmstongran

Thank you dragonfly and Maw. You both voted Remain yet can embrace Rishi Sunak’s hopes going forward.

I truly believe the UK will come on in leaps and bounds now. And I disagree with you MaizieD I do not think RS intends to announce austerity measures in his Budget to be announced in March.

From what I’ve read it seems the Erasmus programme benefitted EU students and UK universities the mos! Our own students will now have the Turing programme. Details to be announced.

The details of the Turing programme have already been announced and analysed. It's a very second-rate replacement for Erasmus.