New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

It’s no use griping on. The country voted leave 41/2 years ago and we have finally left. All of the moaning, wailing, gnashing of teeth and vitriolic remarks will make no difference. It is what it is and personally I am glad that deal, no deal dithering is finally over.

Well at least they can sell their catch to the EU which they wouldn’t with no deal.

We do have two individual fishing agreements, one with Norway the other with Greenland. Neither of these could have been brokered within the EU. No, it's not perfect for our fishermen, but considerably better than they had under the CFP with more hope for the future, whereas before they had none.

I just saw some bullshit on Twitter about how being out of Erasmus meant students could now do exchanges with all of the world and universities could become truly international. I can only assume the person tweeting has never set foot in a university anywhere in the world of they think we weren’t free to do that already.

Well, with some of the detail on the agreement now coming out it would seem that the fishing industry has been totally sold down the river for the next five years. European trawlers then maintain all but a third of their catch even after that period.

That will not go down well with the rabid Brexiteirs in the Tory party and will probably see Johnson out of office in the New Year.

With Starmer whipping the Labour Party to support it even wider divisions will open up there also.

Anyway, a merry Christmas to all especially those that enjoy the News & Politics threads on GN.

trueblue well we had free trade deals with 80 other countries asEU members which will now have to copy and paste and won’t be any better than the ones we had before which will cost time, money, red tape. And you should know that 96% of laws are made by sovereign parliaments. But the economic argument has always been the weak leave one, it was about dislike of foreigners and the nostalgia for the past. We will decline economically with this on top of Covid, so go forget the “prosper mightily” twaddle, which can be added to the list of lies Johnson has made a career of .

Sour grapes= continue to point out that this deal takes away more than it gives and it is the only treaty in history to negotiate removing benefits and imposing more barriers to trade. But it’s not about the economy is it? it’s about nostalgia, dislike of foreign influence and foreigners and the belief that Britain is superior and needs special treatment. Ok if you want to believe that, enjoy your wallow, but don’t forget a vast number of fellow citizens is not supportive of this crock of proverbial.

"true bluebeing outside the EU is going to cost us a lot more and we lose the privileges. You must have believed the bus lie."

The 'privilege' of paying vast sums to them each year and getting very little in return. The fact that we were not allowed to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world. The fact that the laws of a large undemocratic block took precedence over our own democratic Parliament....etc. No, no, no!

If we really haven’t negotiated anything for 80% of our GDP (services) then the 4% drop in GDP (the figure I have seen as well) will no doubt be dropping a lot further.

lemongrove

What sour grapes growstuff

Been on the grapes yourself, eh?

trueblue22

growstuff As out net contribution to the EU was much larger than what we received ( even with the rebate) we were actually paying for the privilege.

We stand to lose much more from leaving the EU. Even the optimists think that GDP will go down by 4% - and that's on top of any fallout from Covid-19.

Of course, there will be a handful of people who will profit from deregulation. Maybe you're one of them. If not, you'd better get used to tightening your belt. I hope it was worth it for a blue passport (made in Poland by a French-Dutch company).

true blue being outside the EU is going to cost us a lot more and we lose the privileges. You must have believed the bus lie.

growstuff As out net contribution to the EU was much larger than what we received ( even with the rebate) we were actually paying for the privilege.

You're slightly out on your figures there maizied , 43% of our FS were with the EU and 34% them with us.

jane10 Just sums it up!

you were ALWAYS totally independent country in a voluntary treaty with a union.You voted for the laws and rules, you benefited greatly from them.
I blame the Scottish Independence movement for this ....before it I dont think anyone else knew what "sovereignty was",then they got all confused and thought it was something completely different...but they wanted it anyway.If the Scots wanted to stay they wanted out ...simples
Poor sods didn't understand they were very well off as they were ...BUT THEY WILL NOW !!

jane10..........love it ?

What a relief to finally have a deal.
I am sure both sides had to give way a bit, and both will probably claim to have the greater victory.
No matter. Part of me at times was in favour of Boris just walking away, but there was always that niggling doubt that it was too risky especially with the added complication of the effect on the economy with the blasted virus.

Until we learn more about the details it’s difficult to know just how much we had to give up, but, as someone has said, if Nigel Farage is pleased, it can’t have been a dreadful deal for us.

We can now look forward to 2021 as a totally independent country ??.

After all we have only waited four and a half years for this!

Jane10
If there were to be a country following us, it would be the Dutch.

An alternative view. I saw this on twitter posted by a Dutch person who is keen to leave EU. Interesting.

lemongrove

It’s not a case in any negotiation that one party has to cave in!
They gradually come together until both sides are happy enough.

Hear, hear lemongrove. Top comment.

Wishing you all a very happy Christmas.
I’m joyous tonight! It’s been a long time coming.

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It’s not a case in any negotiation that one party has to cave in!
They gradually come together until both sides are happy enough.

It’ll be interesting to see what the ERG think of this deal. Why the assumption that the EU caved in and not Johnson?

What sour grapes growstuff

Is this the best you can do, when a trade deal has been secured with the EU? To go on grumbling about the Erasmus scheme!