Still European

If everyone who wanted to stay in the EU had got off of their backsides and voted maybe we would still be in the EU.
But they didn’t and if they did, then the vote was a valid one and cannot be argued with.

varian I suspect that the EU is playing a waiting game, and it won’t be as long as many people think.

Oopsadaisy1

If everyone who wanted to stay in the EU had got off of their backsides and voted maybe we would still be in the EU.
But they didn’t and if they did, then the vote was a valid one and cannot be argued with.

As the vote wasn't a 'valid' one it can be argued with until kingdom come. Oopsadaisy

What is amusing is that the 'deal' has left us much more closely aligned to the EU than many Leavers seem to understand. With lots of room for even closer alignment...

It wasn’t valid because?

Well if that's the case, that's great MaizieD

MaizieD spot on! ?

MaizieD

What is amusing is that the 'deal' has left us much more closely aligned to the EU than many Leavers seem to understand. With lots of room for even closer alignment...

Brussels knew exactly what it was signing up to.

it was advisory or so they tell me ...when Scotland had its first devolution referendum there was a % of the electorate who needed to vote yes for it to pass..so although we were over 50% of those who voted it was disallowed thats why the turn out at the next one was massive we didn't want the same thing happening again.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

What is amusing is that the 'deal' has left us much more closely aligned to the EU than many Leavers seem to understand. With lots of room for even closer alignment...

Brussels knew exactly what it was signing up to.

Indeed, it gives them free access to our market- whereas it only gives us access to EU market if we continue to abide by all their rules and standards. If we deviate- they will slap tariffs. What kind of freedom is that.

And it does not involve services which are by far our biggest earners.

“Indeed, it gives them free access to our market- whereas it only gives us access to EU market if we continue to abide by all their rules and standards. If we deviate- they will slap tariffs. What kind of freedom is that.

And it does not involve services which are by far our biggest earners.”

Thats pretty much how it is, none of the advantages or easy access to the EU market and all of the disadvantages of customs checks and travel restrictions. Not quite the worst outcome, at least the UK backed down over fishing and tariffs. How we are going to get any benefit from trade with the rest of the world now looks very difficult with Biden as president.

The big mistake was expecting the EU to back down on their basic principles - they did not move one millimeter.

I'm finding it odd that there is no outcry from Leavers about how 'the deal' leaves us so closely aligned to the EU, when for the last 4 years they've been insisting they wanted a clean break.

Or is 'rule takers with no say in the making of the rules' really what they voted for after all?

And how on earth did the ERG suddenly roll over and support this terrible deal- the type of deal they said they would never ever accept, NEVER. Just bizarre.

Is it really only because it has avoided the EU Tax Directive?

An excellent article on the subject in the Guardian

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/30/boris-johnson-brexit-vote-tories-bad-deal

perhaps for another thread though.

I still do not know what the OP was about- what the purpose was- apart from stir and mock. !?!

No outcry from me. I always wanted and hoped for a deal. Theresa May’s deal was even more Brexit-lite. The EU quite understandably drove a hard bargain and I think David Frost was a brilliant negotiator for us. All in all it’s so much better than no deal. And although closely aligned in some areas with the EU (that’s negotiation trade offs for you), we HAVE left in so many other areas so I’m a happy bunny.

My question was about the ERG- who clearly said, No Deal is better than Bad Deal- which it clearly is.

What do you mean in 'some' areas - we have to follow all EU rules if we want to export to EU- all of them. Or tariffs are slapped on. And services, which are by far our highest earner, not even get a mention.

By 'we' do you mean Switzerland where you live? Why isn't Switzerland part of the EU if membership is so desirable? Just a thought.

Oh Jane, not this old chestnut, again.

So tell me, about the ERG- why did they roll on their back? after saying they woud rather die in a ditch or explode, if ...

As for Switzerland, we are part of Schengen, we accept all EU rules for exporting, and Free Movement. And it has nothing, but nothing to do with this thread. Zilc, zero, nada, nichts, niente.

I find the obsession with where people live really unhelpful.

Galaxy, lots of people on GN live abroad. But there is only one who is told again and again, that living abroad means she has no right to an opinion. Can you imagine what it would be like if I was actually foreign and not British?

I have just read that it is likely that the contactless card payments will be extended to £100 rather than £45 (good news).
What other benefits are we likely to receive?

what on earth has this go to do with Brexit- and more importantly, the OP? Please.

biba70

And how on earth did the ERG suddenly roll over and support this terrible deal- the type of deal they said they would never ever accept, NEVER. Just bizarre.

Is it really only because it has avoided the EU Tax Directive?

You are very close to the truth there Biba they only care about their own interests.

biba70

Galaxy, lots of people on GN live abroad. But there is only one who is told again and again, that living abroad means she has no right to an opinion. Can you imagine what it would be like if I was actually foreign and not British?

Well I for one thought that person's opinion on continental cheeses was very interesting!
Oops sorry.

happy to please- for another thread perhaps.

So, yes, WE, British people, British people able to vote, British people strongly affected by this- just ... British. Simple enough Jane.