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Germany & Cyprus break ranks from EU vaccine rollout!

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Urmstongran Tue 12-Jan-21 11:36:42

So much for unity eh?

“EU reminds members to toe the line on unilateral vaccine plan
The EU is struggling to keep countries aligned with its vaccine strategy, as governments start to break rank and seek side-deals for extra jabs.

The European Commission is now urging ministers to stick to the plan to negotiate unilaterally.

Last week, Germany ordered 30 million extra doses of the Pfizer vaccine on top of its allocation from the EU’s haul of 600 million jabs while Cyprus reportedly asked Israel for additional doses.”

‘I’m alright Jack springs to mind’.

I must admit to being somewhat surprised as Angela Merkel had, in a spirit of co-operation, handed Germany’s vaccination programme over to Brussels.

Who ordered the sneaky side deal then?

paddyanne Tue 12-Jan-21 12:21:53

Shock horror ,being in the EU doesn't mean you cant make decisions that suit your own country....Boris do you still not understand that? EU countries are soveriengn !!

maddyone Tue 12-Jan-21 12:50:18

EU or no EU, Merkel will do as she likes. She’s only a team player as long as it suits her purpose. Otherwise forget it, it’s her way or no way. Thank God she’s not our leader. I’ve never had any time for her at all.

GillT57 Tue 12-Jan-21 12:59:51

Nothing to see here. Elected leader of country decides what her country needs and gets it done. Shock. We are out of the EU now Urmonstongran, maybe you need to get over it? grin

felice Tue 12-Jan-21 13:23:14

Belgium started vaccinating in December, not sure what all the fuss is about, we are all sovereign nations after all.

BlueBelle Tue 12-Jan-21 13:26:41

maddy totally disagree with you I think Angela Merkel is an excellent leader and knocks spots off our shower
I think this is a whipped up I told you so storm to try and discredit the EU wherever possible

Lucretzia Tue 12-Jan-21 13:28:16

What about the poorer countries of the EU?

MaizieD Tue 12-Jan-21 13:36:37

GillT57

Nothing to see here. Elected leader of country decides what her country needs and gets it done. Shock. We are out of the EU now Urmonstongran, maybe you need to get over it? grin

I think that our Leavers need to continually work themselves up into a state of shock about the pernicious doings of the EU to justify their vote.

I can't blame them entirely, we do it to them in reverse... grin

Lucretzia Tue 12-Jan-21 13:40:19

I'm not a Leaver

I thought the EU were going to engage together and roll out the vaccines for all

This seems to be another Italy type moment.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/eu-offers-heartfelt-apology-italy-coronavirus-response-herd-immunity

Smileless2012 Tue 12-Jan-21 13:43:12

Presumably they'll have to settle for the EU's allocation Lucretzia if they can't afford to by extra.

Namsnanny Tue 12-Jan-21 13:44:55

Not from what I have read Bluebelle The EU is in a mess over vaccine roll out.
Also Spain Greece Italy have complained bitterly about the allocation. German states were given the same amount each as these countries had per country.
Meaning Germany had up to 10 times more vaccine than others.
Sorting this out has delayed the actual delivery of it.
Nothing to do with sovereignty, all to do with unwieldy bureaucratic machine.

maddyone Tue 12-Jan-21 13:54:48

Bluebelle I totally respect your opinion, I just don’t share it, I wasn’t even comparing our government which is a completely different subject and not relevant in this discussion. I wasn’t even a leaver, I voted remain but nonetheless that’s no longer relevant because we’ve left. As I saw it, this discussion is purely about Angela Merkel and I don’t like her style of leadership. That’s okay because she’s not my leader. She was brought up partly in Eastern Germany under communism and I think it comes over in her style of leadership. She’s been leader for many years too, I think it could be thirteen and she shows no signs of leaving which makes me think she’s a bit of a dictator. She absolutely has not done everything right by a very long chalk. 2015 was the worst year when she unilaterally invited a million people to go to Germany and then wanted every other country to take a share of people. Where was the consultation about that? That is the action of a dictator in my opinion. Germany needs new blood in my opinion. She’s had her day and should retire in my opinion. Anyway it doesn’t matter, she’s not my leader. If you want to discuss our government that’s fine, and all it’s done in this pandemic, rightly or wrongly. But I think Merkel has had her day and should retire. My opinion only.

PippaZ Tue 12-Jan-21 13:56:14

I can almost hear you rubbing your hands together OP, at the chance of showing something, just something is better here then in the EU. Sadly this one won't do it.

Firstly, although not in the OP it has been mentioned elsewhere, we could have done exactly what we have done if we were still in the EU.

Secondly, member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme.

So all another 'untrue' bent banana story which, rather like Johnson's account, will crash and burn over time.

Now I do how you will offer a correction wherever you can.

Alegrias1 Tue 12-Jan-21 13:58:09

I think we all need to be very careful of describing the leader of Germany as a dictator, given their history. Especially as she has been voted into office 4 times in a row and has already said she plans not to run in this year's election.

maddyone Tue 12-Jan-21 13:58:13

Namsnanny that’s exactly what I mean. Germany looks after Germany, always has and always will. It gets more vaccine, why in the EU? Because that’s how Germany works. It looks after number one and be blowed to anyone else.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 12-Jan-21 14:01:32

ug that it false news. I can see why you want it to be true, but I expect by now you understand the truth🙂

Lucretzia Tue 12-Jan-21 14:02:47

Interesting article, dated 23/12/2020

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/23/delayed-covid-vaccines-for-poor-countries-will-leave-europe-vulnerable-for-years

maddyone Tue 12-Jan-21 14:06:43

Well,I actually agree Alegrias but there are worrying signs.

PippaZ Tue 12-Jan-21 14:07:21

maddyone

Bluebelle I totally respect your opinion, I just don’t share it, I wasn’t even comparing our government which is a completely different subject and not relevant in this discussion. I wasn’t even a leaver, I voted remain but nonetheless that’s no longer relevant because we’ve left. As I saw it, this discussion is purely about Angela Merkel and I don’t like her style of leadership. That’s okay because she’s not my leader. She was brought up partly in Eastern Germany under communism and I think it comes over in her style of leadership. She’s been leader for many years too, I think it could be thirteen and she shows no signs of leaving which makes me think she’s a bit of a dictator. She absolutely has not done everything right by a very long chalk. 2015 was the worst year when she unilaterally invited a million people to go to Germany and then wanted every other country to take a share of people. Where was the consultation about that? That is the action of a dictator in my opinion. Germany needs new blood in my opinion. She’s had her day and should retire in my opinion. Anyway it doesn’t matter, she’s not my leader. If you want to discuss our government that’s fine, and all it’s done in this pandemic, rightly or wrongly. But I think Merkel has had her day and should retire. My opinion only.

"She’s had her day and should retire in my opinion."

In October 2018, Merkel announced that she would stand down as Leader of the CDU at the party convention, and would not seek a fifth term as Chancellor in 2021.

paddyanne Tue 12-Jan-21 15:14:27

She was democratically voted into office...she'll go when her country decides and no one else.

lemongrove Tue 12-Jan-21 15:20:13

Which is likely to be soon I think Paddy

lemongrove Tue 12-Jan-21 15:22:59

Lucretzia

What about the poorer countries of the EU?

Exactly! They’ll be lucky to get what they’re given I imagine.

Alegrias1 Tue 12-Jan-21 15:24:14

lemongrove

Which is likely to be soon I think Paddy

The fact that she's not going to stand again is probably more relevant Lemon

Ellianne Tue 12-Jan-21 15:27:47

I agree Merkel verges on being a dictator but is that necessarily a bad thing? Can we not have dictators who seek to improve their own country's standard of living and bring about economic growth, even if that means looking after their own interests?
Within the context of the current EU this probably doesn't sit well, but in my opinion it is an indication of things to come.
She may be referred to as Mutti but isn't that part of what mother's do, look out for their own child and make decisions accordingly?

lemongrove Tue 12-Jan-21 15:35:07

Alegrias1

lemongrove

Which is likely to be soon I think Paddy

The fact that she's not going to stand again is probably more relevant Lemon

Which is what I meant, she has said for quite a while now that she won’t stand again.However...politicians do change their minds.