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Vote is Yea to impeach Donald Trump

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PippaZ Wed 13-Jan-21 21:25:42

Just that really. I thought it might be interesting to follow this separately, if that's okay.

I must say I wish we could see the votes counting up for the parties in the way that we can do for the USA.

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 08:10:23

I heard Trump is going to set up his own radio station. 70 million voters will be happy. If the impeachment doesn’t succeed he will try for re-election in 4 years. That said, many in the GOP want to disassociate themselves and promote younger candidates for the next race to the White House.

America is a sorely divided country. This anger isn’t going to dissipate any time soon.

Will Biden & Harris succeed in bringing unity? We shall have to see.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 08:11:54

Interestingly Biden, whilst apparently supporting the impeachment is placing the countries issues above the impeachment in importance.

He may well be correct in his instincts as I suspect that the problems in the USA are what gave them Trump in the first place.

Sort out these major issues (no easy task) and you will almost certainly get rid of the Trumps in this world.

Iam64 Thu 14-Jan-21 08:22:59

The vote to impeach is positive but look at the numbers of Republican lawmakers who voted against. The USA is divided with forces of evil like nazi’s, white supremacists, anarchists and home grown terrorists having been given legitimacy by this awful president.
Biden and Harris have to prioritise the country’s general needs. Urmstongran, they can only unify if Trump’s followers support their country over their individual (dangerous) belief systems. Without seeking to minimise the extent of the US problem, it’s rather like Momentum criticising Starmer for divisions in the L P.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 08:28:27

If they can get Trump convicted and that is a big if I think they can then go for ensuring that Trump is never allowed to run for president again. Then perhaps his star will fall.

I don’t envy Biden he has a massive challenge on his hands.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 08:40:04

I suppose there is nothing to stop the 14th Amendment being invoked regardless of the impeachment outcome.

Does anyone know?

PippaZ Thu 14-Jan-21 09:33:28

There were a couple of good interviews on "Today" this morning. One commented (I paraphrase) that the death of local news leads to splits of people getting their news only from groups who tell them more of what they believe.

One of the issues mainland America has is that it really has no experience in combating domestic terrorism. Reports from a family member suggest that the FBI, Homeland Security and other law enforcement systems have their work cut out in pursuing the mob members and getting them off the street. They certainly have their hands full with the preparation for the possibility of multiple attacks on state and federal sites between now and after the inauguration on the 20th.

Happygirl79 Thu 14-Jan-21 10:04:08

Trump is an evil egocentric con man
He has had his own way far to often through out his life. His businesses have failed but he can not conceive losing so rewrites the story with his continuous lying boasting and sueing to get his way.
Good riddance!

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 11:24:23

Can Trump pardon people or himself for future convictions?

Nannan2 Thu 14-Jan-21 11:38:58

He has really disgraced himself hasn't he? If he had accepted losing with good grace then he could have kept his dignity at least.😐 Its the same for Boris when he ends up having to U- turn on most of his policies, (or 'idiot ideas' as i like to call them....)😄I think that having covid has really affected their way of thinking..

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 11:44:46

A commentator being interviewed on SKY news said everyone ought to bear in mind that 10 million more people voted for Trump this time around. Many ordinary Americans like his MAGA policies, the building of the wall, his calling out of ‘the China virus’.

Biden will have his work cut out as 47% of America didn’t vote for him.

Nannan2 Thu 14-Jan-21 11:45:39

And maybe USA might want to look at their usual plan of making the 'changeover' of presidents take so long- it seems an awfully long time from 'vote-in' to inauguration- why cant they do it within a shorter space of time? Maybe they should make it less in future so not as much time for all the extra nonsense.🤔

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 11:48:11

The extraordinary thing that I find so difficult to explain or understand is that Trump voters actually believe that he won the election, and still do.

But I guess that after 4-5 years of lies this cognitive dissonance is pretty much grounded. I just can’t help constantly comparing it to our lying leader and Brexit.

PippaZ Thu 14-Jan-21 11:48:29


Can Trump pardon people or himself for future convictions?

I don't know if he can Whitewave but there are drawbacks to accepting a pardon.

To accept a pardon you are basically saying you are guilty. Apparently this means the forces of law and order can then treat you as if you have a record. I don't know enough about American law to say all that this means but one area that was quoted is that you and your property can then be searched without notice. As I say, my knowledge is incredibly thin on this but I was watching a lawyer who was acting for other people who had been offered a pardon explain why it might not be a good idea for Trump to do this.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 11:56:42

pippa I think that what Trump must be desperate to avoid are all the litigations piling up against him.

He is I believe technically bankrupt, and with the banks rapidly distancing themselves he is going to find it totally impossible to raise the capital for projects like the Dubai one and others in Indonesia, India etc. Although I guess there are dubious people who are prepared to lend him the capital. He stands for the very wealthy and his policies always protected their interests regardless of what he sold to the blue collar worker etc.

Gwenisgreat1 Thu 14-Jan-21 11:57:40

One word - Yay!!

Sarnia Thu 14-Jan-21 12:01:21

I hope this won't be the green light to get his equally deluded supporters rioting again.

Katek Thu 14-Jan-21 12:08:17

Trump is a malignant narcissist - way past time he was gone.

DiscoDancer1975 Thu 14-Jan-21 12:54:13

The further down he falls, the better. This is the best news we’ve had for a year!🥳

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 13:11:16

It is beginning to look as if Guiliani won’t be representing Trump at the impeachment trial.

Trump is also stomping around telling staff not to pay Guiliani

Galaxy Thu 14-Jan-21 13:13:50

Giuliani is up to his neck in it. Way too late for him to be wriggling out of it now.

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 16:27:12

Now for the next bit.
I had to look this up.

“Here’s a guide to what happens next.

Is the impeachment proceeding over?

No. Impeachment refers only to the House, the lower chamber of Congress, bringing charges, or Articles of Impeachment.

The next major step is for the Senate, the upper chamber, to have a trial to determine Trump’s guilt.

A two-thirds majority is needed to convict Trump. If all 100 senators are present for the vote, at least 17 Republicans need to join the Democrats to convict Trump.”

ninathenana Thu 14-Jan-21 16:34:34

I hope they come to the right verdict

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 16:47:30

For Americans. I do too.
Whichever way it goes I hope there’s a degree of closure.

I’m not hopeful though to be honest. I think it’s a vindictive move by the Democrats. They could have let sleeping dogs lie for a week. They keep giving Trump and his nuttier supporters more oxygen.

Iam64 Thu 14-Jan-21 20:49:41

I don't see it as a 'vindictive' move by the Democrats. Trump incited sedition. Howling should people let him get away with lying, encouraging his crazy followers to believe the Dems stole the election etc etc. It's like turning a blind eye to any other kind of criminal behaviour,or putting it on the 'too hard' list

PippaZ Thu 14-Jan-21 21:18:49

A two-thirds majority is needed to convict Trump. If all 100 senators are present for the vote, at least 17 Republicans need to join the Democrats to convict Trump.

They could do what Johnson did and go somewhere awfully important on the day.