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MaizieD Sat 16-Jan-21 17:52:47

This guy is a wine importer. He prepared, in advance, as well as he possibly could for Brexit.

He's not a happy bunny

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Daniel Lambert (Wines). ????
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Over the past 15 days I have not only been running my company as normal but I have been faced with largest threat to its future since it began in 1992. This is #Brexit & here is my thread on just how bad things are getting. 1/26
Six months ago my business started to prepare for Brexit. We obtained the following licences and accreditations JUST to maintain the status quo. EORI number, RORO badge for Chief, GBRC number, GBWK number, we already had ARWS and DAN accounts. 2/26
All of this took nearly five months a lot of form filling but on the 9th December this was all in place. So I would say whilst we knew Brexit would be a car crash we did not know it was going to be a multiple pile up in the fog with fatalities. 3/26
On January 4th I returned to work being wise enough to have stockpiled just enough so that if we had a bumpy ride in January we would have enough stock to last until February. 4/26
I should add this took a considerable amount of cash flow and management to do this during a lockdown/ pandemic combined with Xmas sales. But we managed. 5/26
I should add this took a considerable amount of cash flow and management to do this during a lockdown/ pandemic combined with Xmas sales. But we managed. 5/26
On my Return in January I started to use Chief for the very first time. It was not possible to use this system prior to Brexit or necessary as it was very simple to move stock in the EU with minimal fuss and delay with the EMCS system. 6/26
It’s fair to say it worked like clockwork after 40 years of tweaks to get the system just right. But in Brexit Britain we are very much on our own & so this British system (CHIEF) has now got every product the U.K. consumes in its grasp. 7/26
However the problem with CHIEF is that it was built decades ago and was never designed to handle EU imports too! Why would leave a system (EMCS) that works for one that does not? 8/26
A CHIEF declaration (C88) has up to 65 boxes to complete. Some of these are very simple like excise number and parties involved on the import. So basic stuff. Others however are very vague codes. 9/26
CHIEF is there for the Government to collect tax, that is its primary purpose. It’s not there to aid businesses. It definitely hinders business. On this point no debate is required. Most of the other boxes are codes that have zero meaning .10/26
Now unbeknown to me until January all hauliers use secondary software to over write onto CHIEF because is so hard to use. There is currently a 4 month waiting list for new installations of this software which costs £2K all in. 11/26
I have been imputing directly to CHIEF which I should add costs £157 per month to be able to access. Yes thats right folks you have to pay to tell the government how much your going to pay them. The first Brexit dividend. 12/26
Now after 14 days I finally complete my first C88 declaration but noticed I was paying the 3rd countries tariff. Odd I thought to myself I am sure just three weeks ago the U.K. signed an FTA with the EU to make all goods tariff free. So I used my contacts to find out more. 13/26
Now you would think that government would want to make using CHIEF as easy as possible as now there are millions of businesses having to use it. 14/26
So you would think that a call centre would be a good idea right? No wrong, this is the ONLY HMRC system where there is no number to call. Just an email with a 5 day turn around. Remember that when government say they are doing all they can to help. 15/26
So with the knowledge that government are not interested in making Brexit easy for businesses and in many cases businesses are just trying to survive, we have ploughed on regardless. 16/26
Again you would think if there is a FTA, CHIEF would apply it to all imports from that area/ country right? Wrong you have to claim it. Unbelievable! 17/26
Claiming a tariff free status was yesterday’s game with CHIEF. To be fair deep in the CHIEF files I found the notes to apply the codes to the system required (U 110 followed by AP for example) but problem is after triple checking, CHIEF has not been updated properly. 18/26
So once again I can’t import wine via my own means until I wait for CHIEF staff( normally five working days) for them to advise how to correct the problem and complete the declaration correctly tariff free. 19/26
So what does this all mean for the consumers? Well to supply the U.K. the exporter need to get a Rex document to prove the origin of their stock to the U.K. government (again, unbelievable). 20/26
Then with all the additional costs in Paperwork, time wasted, government fees to tell the government how much your paying them and delays in the supply chain it’s obvious price are upward bound. 21/26
So this is why I have been saying wine per bottle on retail will increase by at least £1 per bottle for mass market products, for niche small batch wines your looking at £1.50 or even £2.00 on the bottle prices. There’s another of those Brexit dividends. 22/26
This government have cocked up Brexit from day one. But I am now 100% sure that choice will reduce dramatically, price will increase dramatically, delays with increase dramatically and the U.K. wide depression is inevitable, and still the government couldn’t give a toss. 23/26
It’s why I will leave this country next year once my kids have finished there education. I am lucky and have a second nationality within the EU thanks to my father. 24/26
But for those that can’t leave I understand why you are angry and with what I can see your about have a lot more taken away from you than just freedom of movement. 25/26
The Tory party is no longer the Tory party. It is UKIP that has assumed control of the Tory party. They goal is clear, to commit economic vandalism and social vandalism on the U.K. whilst ensuring they get considerably wealthier. That is very sad for what was a great country.

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GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Feb-21 11:08:13

I didn’t suggest you wanted “those things” Varian I was pointing out that as of yet they haven’t happened.

As a SME at the proverbial coalface there is a definite air of optimism that post Covid things will indeed pick up. I can only speak as I find I do not have the time to trawl through every document or article appertaining to post-Brexit.

vegansrock Wed 03-Feb-21 11:09:39

So why are many U.K. businesses, including fishing at breaking point? Why is there a border in the Irish Sea when we promised there wouldn’t be ? Why are those ports and the people that work there being threatened with violence? Why is someone in Spain buying quilting cotton from the UK now having to pay double? These aren’t teething problems, these are major extractions. The last minute deal so celebrated is costing billions and contains more holes than a proverbial fishing net.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Feb-21 11:16:58

Vegansrock there are thousands of SME’s just getting on with their day to day business, balancing their books paying their employees with not even a nod to Brexit.

Everyone knows that bad/sad sells newspapers and makes headlines, nobody is interested in those of us who are just continuing as usual.

MaizieD Wed 03-Feb-21 11:28:50

And the Irish border, GG13?

Unconcerned about that, are you? With militant unionists on the move and border staff having to be withdrawn for because of threats to their safety?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Feb-21 11:42:21

There have been 158 security related deaths since the GFA in 1998, the majority of which were carried out by republican and loyalist paramilitaries, who mostly targeted victims within their own communities.

The report was compiled independently by researcher Paul Nolan, on the twentieth anniversary of the agreement.

The troubles have never gone away, just brushed under the carpet which in my opinion is shameful.

seamstress Wed 03-Feb-21 11:56:18

So that makes these new threats OK? grannygravy? No-one cares about Ireland may be, but this will be ongoing, NI is being treated differently , not what they were promised at all.
Yes, businesses who serve an internal market may not notice a difference, but those who trade with the EU, of which there are thousands, plus individuals, are facing more bureaucracy and red tape and losing business. The UK may be continuing their "negotiations" i.e. Gove going back to the EU to beg to change the treaty they themselves signed in haste and didn't bother to read the small print, not to mention they haven't yet come to agreements about financial services, the UKs biggest contributor to GDP. Still we'll get cheaper soy sauce won't we?

varian Fri 05-Feb-21 19:39:57

Who wants 70 pages of paperwork for one lorry load of fish? Is this what the brexiters voted for???

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-55887043

MaizieD Fri 05-Feb-21 19:56:56

varian

Who wants 70 pages of paperwork for one lorry load of fish? Is this what the brexiters voted for???

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-55887043

They're lucky they can even export fish.

The poor shellfish people can't export to the EU at all because of the rules that we helped to write while still in the EU. Rules which apply to all third countries like the UK.