The E.U. And AstraZeneca row.

Good Lord, can any more be rung out of this. It's obviously the only actual reason any of you can think of for leaving the EU and you (leave voters) are going to beat it to death on here by the look of things. Heaven help us all as our future was based on this sort of reasoning.

Obviously a sore spot for some ?

Obviously a chance to be very, very childish for others.

PippaZ

Obviously a chance to be very, very childish for others.

{grin}

Well, that got spoiled!

A trio of Remainers lol ?

Nannna8 .....Chinese whispers. The truth gets lost travelling so far. Belgium and the Netherlands weren’t making what they should. The U.K. deal was to supply everyone once we had made our first 100 million for the U.K. here. Canada have ordered 5 times the amount of various vaccines enough to give 5 times the population of Canada. That’s greedy!

^ Canada have ordered 5 times the amount of various vaccines enough to give 5 times the population of Canada. That’s greedy!^

Well, we seem to have ordered enough for 4 times our population. So only slightly less greedy...

Britain will prioritise offering spare vaccines to Ireland once stocks are secured for the UK jab rollout, The Telegraph understands.

Ministers are examining sharing vaccines with other countries in order "to protect us and the rest of the world" as soon as supplies for the domestic vaccination programme are assured, a Government source said. "The Common Travel Area falls into that category," the source added. "If Ireland was still experiencing shortfalls, we absolutely would.
Copied from The Telegraph today

Protecting your own citizens surely should come first and that is what the UK is doing. Fantastic vaccine rollout, over 10 million people vacinated.

Credit where credit is due Boris and his government have pulled a blinder.

Firecracker123 Nothng to do with Boris and his government but the excellent Vaccine team under Kate Bingham who wasn't paid -https://www.ft.com/content/9f08cd41-c895-4138-ba37-6f9c36fcef31
And the efforts of the NHS and public health system which had they been given more responsibility previously (for Track and Trace) might have prevented some of the more dreadful results of his virus

^Put your oxygen mask on first,” before helping others. ... Because if you run out of oxygen yourself, you can't help anyone else with their oxygen mask. Or put more simply: if you die, you can't help anyone else.^

It just goes to show how things work better if you put someone in charge that has an in depth knowledge of what they’re doing. It seems that the Conservatives are now branding themselves as the party of the NHS and people are actually falling for it. David Davis is still banging on about VitD but no one is listening to him. People have such short memories.

Friday January 29 2021, 12.01am, The Times
When Boris Johnson called Kate Bingham last April and asked her to lead Britain’s vaccine task force the brief was simple: “Stop people from dying.”

Of course it was Boris and his Government who instigated this stop being so negative. Have some pride in the UK.

Firecracker ??
Yes, exactly Callistemon ?

They still aren’t the party of the NHS and never will be. And because I’m not proud of the PM of this country (who is still, imo, responsible for thousands of deaths) doesn’t mean I’m not proud of the NHS and many things about this country. If the party hadn’t ran down the NHS over the past decade it wouldn’t be on its knees now and that makes me very angry.

QuickFire9

Nannna8 .....Chinese whispers. The truth gets lost travelling so far. Belgium and the Netherlands weren’t making what they should. The U.K. deal was to supply everyone once we had made our first 100 million for the U.K. here. Canada have ordered 5 times the amount of various vaccines enough to give 5 times the population of Canada. That’s greedy!

Is it really greedy? If four of those had not come through then they would have been in a very different position. If they do then they can arrange for some that would not have been made to go elsewhere.

That bit does not seem greedy to me.

If the Government is responsible for the 100,000 deaths within 28 days of a positive test for Covid, I assume that they are also responsible for the 3.9 million people who have so far recovered from Covid?

Callistemon

*^Put your oxygen mask on first,” before helping others. ... Because if you run out of oxygen yourself, you can't help anyone else with their oxygen mask. Or put more simply: if you die, you can't help anyone else.^*

exactly that

GrannyGravy13

If the Government is responsible for the 100,000 deaths within 28 days of a positive test for Covid, I assume that they are also responsible for the 3.9 million people who have so far recovered from Covid?

and that

Firecracker123

Friday January 29 2021, 12.01am, The Times
When Boris Johnson called Kate Bingham last April and asked her to lead Britain’s vaccine task force the brief was simple: “Stop people from dying.”

Of course it was Boris and his Government who instigated this stop being so negative. Have some pride in the UK.

and that

GrannyGravy13

If the Government is responsible for the 100,000 deaths within 28 days of a positive test for Covid, I assume that they are also responsible for the 3.9 million people who have so far recovered from Covid?

So you’re now pointing out that they’re responsible for 3.9 million people catching it as well. Something that hadn’t crossed my mind till now.

Recovery rate in the UK: 97.2%

Recovery rate in the US: 98.3%

Recovery rate in France: 97.6%

Recovery rate in Spain: 97.9%

That means we're doing about as well as everybody else, maybe a bit worse.

Apparently we are in the process of sending vaccines to the Falklands.
?? ??

A spokesman for the EU has said in response to the EU's mistake that only the Pope is infallible; that's not right either

Shock horror. Politicians that can admit that they’ve made a mistake. Methinks there’s a lesson to be learned here.