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Flying the flag

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varian Sat 20-Mar-21 13:51:47

Does the display of union jacks by politicians making video calls from their homes not just appear ridiculous, but a tad sinister?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/19/flag-of-convenience-why-ministers-cant-get-enough-of-the-union-jack

Baggs Sat 20-Mar-21 19:42:22

Quite a few homes near us fly the Scottish Saltire. Some fly the Union Flag. And some fly both.

A flag's a flag. Those who sneer at flags are just puerile scoffers. Says more about them than anything else.

vegansrock Sat 20-Mar-21 19:42:13

forced to use the flag.? really? I’ve got an EU flag will that do?!

GagaJo Sat 20-Mar-21 19:41:29

If the state is enforcing rules, that attention would be better spent on preventing the public from spreading a deadly disease, with the army during lockdown, than making rules about a piece of fabric and keeping colonial reminders in public spaces where half of the population find them offensive.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Mar-21 19:38:30

Having left the EU, it it time to rebuild being British, and make the use of the Union Jack mandatory in class rooms and public buildings, this would teach children the importance of patriotism and loyalty to ones Country.
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The BBC should also be forced to use it in newsrooms.

It is time for politicians to ensure the woke PC left do not get the upper hand in this invented culture war.

It must also be made a crime to deface or remove statues.

lemsip Sat 20-Mar-21 19:34:41

Yes , working from home.

lemsip Sat 20-Mar-21 19:33:36

Ilovecheese Just what part of my comment didn't you understand?

I wrote;

(if they are making video calls from home then presumably they are work calls as it's the 'office' to all intents and purposes)

Mamardoit Sat 20-Mar-21 19:33:16

Lucca

Has anyone here got a flag in their living room?

I could nip upstairs and get the Gibraltar flag. Will that do?

Not sure where the other flags are. Yes I do have some.

Lucca Sat 20-Mar-21 19:32:46

But they are at home! I am happy to be British too but I honestly think this looks a bit weird and in my view doesn’t endear them to any slightly less than fully convinced Conservatives.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 20-Mar-21 19:29:22

Lucca

Has anyone here got a flag in their living room?

I am not a politician representing the United Kingdom.

Mamardoit Sat 20-Mar-21 19:28:27

MaizieD

Urmstongran

I think the Union flag is all about drawing us all together, post-Brexit. No bad thing as it represents something that unites us all, surely?
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In your dreams, Ug.

The sight of our self seeking, corrupt, and mendacious PM posturing in front of our national flag just fills me with disgust; as do his equally corrupt and mendacious ministers doing the same thing. They are dishonouring it.

All it does is draw me together with people who feel the same way about our government.

There are images of the Labour leader pictured with the union flag in the background. Does that disgust you? And is he dishonouring it?

Politicians from all countries have flags in view when they speak or are interviewed.

They are the elected government and they do have the right to appear with the flag. I didn't vote tory but I won't have a bloody hissy fit about what's in the background when they are being interviewed.

Lucca Sat 20-Mar-21 19:27:08

Has anyone here got a flag in their living room?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 20-Mar-21 19:23:25

MaizieD so if the Government was your choice you would be OK with them having the Union Flag in the background?

How odd ? I respect our flag and I am proud to be British whatever party is in power ?????????

Urmstongran Sat 20-Mar-21 19:19:22

love the Union Jack. I'm proud to be British and why not, there's an awful lot to be grateful for

You’re so right of course foxie. It’s pretty amazing living here. We take it for granted sometimes.

The BBC won’t displace Naga Munchetty. There must be a reason why, but I can't for the life of me think what it is.

foxie48 Sat 20-Mar-21 19:10:40

I love the Union Jack. I'm proud to be British and why not, there's an awful lot to be grateful for? I voted to remain in the EU but accept the democratic decision to leave (like we all should IMO). I am not racist, don't support the far right or the far left for that matter and if our MPs want to have the UJ flag in their zoom calls, then why not? Perhaps we should encourage all political parties to use it more. If anyone wants to fly the flag in their garden I don't assume I know any more about their politics than I do about what they had for supper. Is it lock down that is making us so unkind and judgemental?

maddyone Sat 20-Mar-21 19:08:18

What Urmston said.

Mamardoit Sat 20-Mar-21 19:07:53

varian

What is it then?

Do you believe that all these Tory politicians normally live in home festooned with union jacks?

At number 10 and at their offices they should have them.

I've got some flags somewhere. I have 5 sons all into cricket, football, rugby. Yes we had flags hanging out of the windows when they were younger. Lots of families around us had flags out for VE day last summer. I'm sure Emily Thornberry would not have approved.

I really don't care who has flags and who doesn't.

How do you feel about the EU flag?

Urmstongran Sat 20-Mar-21 19:01:02

I don't presume to dictate to others how they ought to feel about their own country. However I would not, whatever my view, ridicule others for feeling a sense of pride or showing respect for their own country, its institutions, its Head of State or for the national flag. To do so betrays a considerable lack of respect for the views and opinions of others - not to mention those of a large swathe of the population of the UK in this particular case.

I cannot begin to imagine that these two BBC presenters would have done that to an elected official representing the EU, or the USA or indeed Scotland. But it seems it is acceptable to belittle anyone who is proud of the British flag or our Monarch.

This has more than a touch of the Emily Thornberry about it. A disingenuous apology and un-liking a tweet really is not sufficient. The damage is done and it is not the first time these presenters have stepped over the line. If the BBC is serious about addressing concerns regarding bias, the first thing it ought to have done would be to remove these two, at least for a while. They are too full of themselves.

Iam64 Sat 20-Mar-21 18:59:49

Maisie D I feel the same way about our government. Loathsome, corrupt, mendacious (love that) and yes, dishonouring our flag. How to reclaim it

GrannyGravy13 Sat 20-Mar-21 18:54:39

It is very sad Urmstongran ????????????????????????????

MaizieD Sat 20-Mar-21 18:54:02

Urmstongran

I think the Union flag is all about drawing us all together, post-Brexit. No bad thing as it represents something that unites us all, surely?
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In your dreams, Ug.

The sight of our self seeking, corrupt, and mendacious PM posturing in front of our national flag just fills me with disgust; as do his equally corrupt and mendacious ministers doing the same thing. They are dishonouring it.

All it does is draw me together with people who feel the same way about our government.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Mar-21 18:49:47

I’m not brave enough to display the flag of St George anywhere on 23rd April Witzend that’s for sure.
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A feast day of St George has been celebrated in England for hundreds of years on 23 April, which was possibly the date of his martyrdom. Following the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, St George's Day became one of the most important feast days in the English calendar.

No longer, sadly.

Iam64 Sat 20-Mar-21 18:47:36

Local houses that fly the Union flag see, to be those with military in the family. The St George flag tends to be used to support the English football team.
I fear the Union flag is dismissed by some because it’s associated with the British Empire. I love seeing say, the Irish, Greek or stars n stripes flying when I visit those countries. I wish we could fly the union of English flags without being dismissed as fascists, racists or locked in our imperial past.

Witzend Sat 20-Mar-21 18:45:43

As far as I’ve ever seen, it only in the U.K., or rather in England, that a substantial minority of people seem to think the national flag is something to be ashamed of, or to sneer at.
And that’s the Union Flag.
Heaven help anyone who dares to display the St George’s flag.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Mar-21 18:42:45

lemongrove ???

Casdon Sat 20-Mar-21 18:42:43

Also of course, Wales isn’t represented on the union flag. Marmadoit, not important enough?