Flying the flag

It was supposed to lighten the mood Alegrias and maybe distract from Maizie re-enacting fight club while the rest of us - including the very many non rabid, non tories - mull over the concept that our moderate and balanced deliberations of the flag issue have been seized upon, chewed up, spat out and reformed into fascist sympathising. FGS.

Off to iron my black shirt ready for the morning so I can wear it to my zoom meeting with my fellow xenophobes...?

Still waiting to hear about that MP who wants to rid the country of all non flag worshippers.

That's not a fascist idea of course; just a perfectly normal thing to want...

Ah well done, you've found a picture of the FM in a comedy Christmas jumper with a flag in what does appear to be her living room. So all my arguments are void and I commit to never mentioning the "flags in the living room" topic ever again.

"As for the SNP appropriating the Saltire, there are no flags on display at any of the government Covid briefings and nobody feels the need to proclaim their nationality by having a nine foot flagpole in the living room when they’re on Zoom."

Semantics I know, but most of the thread has been so why not chuck in a bit more? Can't stick Line of Duty so it gave me something to do.

Only holding my breath while watching Line of Duty PippaZ ?

As long as you're not holding your breath Alegrais1

Can someone please point me to any post where I said the FM had never been seen with a saltire? One you've made up in your imagination doesn't count.

I'll wait......

Seek and ye shall find... ?

lemongrove

I remember saying to you ( a year ago)Pip that I won’t be drawn into answering any of your posts.
That still stands btw.

By the way, a year ago I had just buried my mother so I doubt I would have had any great interest in something like Gransnet.

And perhaps you flag lovers would like to comment on the Tory MP who thinks that people who don't worship the Union Jack should move to another country...

No takers?

I quote: As for the SNP appropriating the Saltire, there are no flags on display at any of the government Covid briefings and nobody feels the need to proclaim their nationality by having a nine foot flagpole in the living room when they’re on Zoom.

An address to the nation isn't a press briefing. A picture of the First Minister in her official residence is not the same as her being on Zoom in her living room. I did explain that at the time.

Misunderstanding or wilful misinterpretation? I guess we'll never know.

The That.

You have been answering them lemongrove but it would be nice if you stuck to factual and truthful reporting of other people's posts. The doesn't seem a lot to ask.

It was just so funny Alegrias you saying that no Saltires were in view followed by two photos of it very much in view.
Possibly all that can be said about flags has been said.Nobody will change their own views on it.Which is fine.

I remember saying to you ( a year ago)Pip that I won’t be drawn into answering any of your posts.
That still stands btw.

That's not what I said Lemon. Either you know that and you're misrepresenting what I said, or your desire to see anti Tory propaganda in every post that doesn't 100% support your viewpoint is blinding you to the truth.

lemongrove

Iam64

Ok. I wasnt anti flag but, having read the nonsense on this thread from flag supporters, I know where my heart lies.

Pity about that Iam64 as I found your earlier post, as I do most of your posts, sensible.

Anyone who thinks that any country within the UK should never display the flag alongside leaders/ Ministers, should also ( by the same principle) dislike any other country in the world doing the same ( having a flag in the office, or next to a podium when a politician is speaking.) To single out the UK for flag displaying would be very peculiar. By the same token,
Anyone who thinks it’s fine to have the Welsh or Scottish flag on display but not an English or Union flag, by politicians in England when speaking from a podium in Downing St or in an office when talking to camera, is also exhibiting peculiar and cherry picking behaviour.What is really being objected to is the present government PM and ministers ( who happen to be Conservatives) displaying the Union flag.
In other words ( to cut a long story short) because they dislike
Conservatives being in power, they object to the flag.
What’s the betting that if Labour were in power, there would be absolutely no objections at all to it.
It’s just another way of Tory bashing innit?!?

You are misrepresenting what has been said on here yet again Lemongrove. Where has anyone said "... the UK should never display the flag alongside leaders/ Ministers," it's a corruption of what people have very carefully spelt out when it comes to their personal views on how this government is using the flag.

I have no idea if this falsifying of their account is deliberate or not but it is wrong to present a corrupted version of the views of others in the way you have. That sort of misinformation stops this being a discussion and turns into an attempt at propaganda; it's biased and misleading.

You not only put forward a distorted version of what has been said, you then feel you are in a position to ignore people's explanation and decide on a twisted version of your own with "What is really being objected to is the present government PM and ministers ( who happen to be Conservatives) displaying the Union flag." Again, no one has said there are no appropriate times for it to be displayed by this government or any other. It has been quite clear that it is the way they are now doing it that is being objected to; the wrapping of one party in the countries flag.

Let me say, once again, that I believe it is morally wrong to take others words and to falsify or distort them to suit your argument.

Alegrias1

We've had 14 pages of discussing flags in people's living rooms, with occasional diversions into coronation mugs and who won the general election. But we could have saved ourselves all that time just by asking you, Lemongrove, to tell us all exactly what it is that we think. And no need to read any posts, none of that required of course, because you have this wonderful insight into what's in our minds and it's all always about the Tories, especially if we're not English.

Alegrias ...after your famous assertion that Sturgeon never used the Saltire and were then proved spectacularly wrong by the photos?I think I can ignore your remarks.

MayBee70

Keir Starmer has been using the flag recently. I feel uncomfortable about that, too. As I would be if he was PM.

I notice he seems to have stopped that, though.

We've had 14 pages of discussing flags in people's living rooms, with occasional diversions into coronation mugs and who won the general election. But we could have saved ourselves all that time just by asking you, Lemongrove, to tell us all exactly what it is that we think. And no need to read any posts, none of that required of course, because you have this wonderful insight into what's in our minds and it's all always about the Tories, especially if we're not English.

Keir Starmer has been using the flag recently. I feel uncomfortable about that, too. As I would be if he was PM.

Iam64

Ok. I wasnt anti flag but, having read the nonsense on this thread from flag supporters, I know where my heart lies.

Pity about that Iam64 as I found your earlier post, as I do most of your posts, sensible.

Anyone who thinks that any country within the UK should never display the flag alongside leaders/ Ministers, should also ( by the same principle) dislike any other country in the world doing the same ( having a flag in the office, or next to a podium when a politician is speaking.) To single out the UK for flag displaying would be very peculiar. By the same token,
Anyone who thinks it’s fine to have the Welsh or Scottish flag on display but not an English or Union flag, by politicians in England when speaking from a podium in Downing St or in an office when talking to camera, is also exhibiting peculiar and cherry picking behaviour.What is really being objected to is the present government PM and ministers ( who happen to be Conservatives) displaying the Union flag.
In other words ( to cut a long story short) because they dislike
Conservatives being in power, they object to the flag.
What’s the betting that if Labour were in power, there would be absolutely no objections at all to it.
It’s just another way of Tory bashing innit?!?

Dinahmo didn't hijack the subject. Somebody (not Dinahmo) misunderstood the conversation, though.

GrannyGravy13

Dinahmo this Conservative voter has lots of issues with the current Government, the (small) detail of them appearing in front of the Union Flag is not one of them.

Quite.

PippaZ

GrannyRose15

How many more times do you need to be told that the 80 seat majority does not represent the majority of the voters. The Tories had 43.6% of the popular vote. In my book tht is not a majority.

But it is a win. And you wouldn't be complaining if the vote had gone the other way, would you?

You hang on in there GrannyRose. The fact that the coversation was about something else will never matter will it?

What is happening here is the equivalent of entering a game and crying foul everytime a point is lost while trying to swip away the pieces off the board. It's very unpleasant.

You will perhaps be polite enough to concede that it wasn't me that hijacked the subject. It was the person I was quoting - I think it was Dinahmo .