Bad language

BBJS ; I wonder if you could elaborate a little more on your post. The original poster asked what our thoughts were on the protest in Bristol. You referred to the fact that people do as they want are you saying that the protest and the results were fine?

Considering the many posts I have read on Gransnet from
people who think it's ok to do whatever they want I should think this protest and the results would be perfectly fine.

To see the protest being shown on T.V and showing the violence aggression and hostility that the police had to face
was disgusting. I watched many young woman also drinking and dancing amidst the stones thrown and fires being lit without wearing a mask and apparently enjoying being filmed.
Are these the young woman we were all protesting about last week and saying we want more done for young girls and young women on our streets.

What was the response from Priti Patel?
She said it was unacceptable. !!!!!!!!
The response I heard from Boris Johnson today.
He said it was unacceptable !!!!!!!!

l would use words much stronger than that after seeing the carnage of that protest Priti Patel and Boris Johnson
your response is totally UNACCEPTABLE. !!!!!!!!

varian

Local elections are coming up soon. As you live in Bristol Oldwoman70 do you think that this horrible violence will help or hinder the prospects of Labour Mayor Marvin Rees being re-elected?

No - because in Bristol you could put up a plank of wood as the Labour candidate and it would be elected

Obviously the police had to respond to ever-changing and unpredictable events last night but I was astounded to see so few arrests, the burning of police cars, taunting of the police and spraying graffiti on their shields, whilst it appeared from the TV footage that the police just stood protecting the police station.

Where they short-staffed?

They seemed to have lost control - the burning of vehicles was particularly shocking.

The people who rioted in the streets in Bristol did not go because they were incited by 'Kill the Bill' to do violence to policemen, and women; they went because they were intent on causing harm.
Probably few political convictions, just an intense resentment of authority and seeking an opportunity to attack it.

BigBertha1

Pritti Patel said it was 'unacceptable' as though it was a case of bad manners. I think she might have put it more strongly e.g. illegal!

Oh, I do hate it when politicians say something is 'unacceptable' - it's such a useless word in these circumstances!

A British citizen is illegally detained abroad - unacceptable
Riots - unacceptable
Racist language - unacceptable

It's so lacking in substance and such a weak response!

Local elections are coming up soon. As you live in Bristol Oldwoman70 do you think that this horrible violence will help or hinder the prospects of Labour Mayor Marvin Rees being re-elected?

varian

Of course 98% of people in Bristol are against violence Oldwoman70 - I'm surprised it's not higher. What is reported in any newspaper is down to the editor and/or proprietor.

What I have heard is, I agree, anecdotal, but comes from very reliable sources in Bristol.

It is right that a thorough investigation is made in the hope we can uncover the truth.

I live in Bristol and have not heard this except for the one person posting in the local newspaper - as for what is reported being down to the editor and/or proprietor - the Bristol Post and its online version Bristol Live is a labour supporting news outlet which never misses an opportunity to criticise the government or its policies

Of course 98% of people in Bristol are against violence Oldwoman70 - I'm surprised it's not higher. What is reported in any newspaper is down to the editor and/or proprietor.

What I have heard is, I agree, anecdotal, but comes from very reliable sources in Bristol.

It is right that a thorough investigation is made in the hope we can uncover the truth.

Firecracker123

Actually it was Sisters Uncut the same group who hijacked Sarah Everard vigil who teamed up with anarchists. Sorry to disappoint you it wasn't far right supporters.

That is very specific; where is the evience?

varian

There is a strong belief in Bristol that some of the worst hooligans were "rentamob" and were actually paid to be there - not by BLM but by far right groups who want to see the bill passed.

That thought has just occurred to me; I'm hoping others will see there is probably more to this than meets the eye.

Each move this government makes moves us nearer to the far-right adgenda.

Chesnut he made the comment on his Twitter page.

varian

There is a strong belief in Bristol that some of the worst hooligans were "rentamob" and were actually paid to be there - not by BLM but by far right groups who want to see the bill passed.

Where do you hear of this "strong belief" - read the local newspaper comments and 98% are against this violence, only 1 has suggested the silly "far right" conspiracy theory

Whitewavemark2

I am annoyed to see that Farage has tried to jump on the bandwagon and blame the BLM movement.

What on earth did the Bristol riots have to do with the BLM’s ?

Sometimes his racist agenda is so blatantly obvious.

Can you put a link to that as I can't find it.

Varian and Firecracker123 until the police have done a thorough investigation neither of your allegations regarding the provenance of the trouble makers is anything more than hearsay.

AmberSpyglass

Oh, you mean the peaceful protesters who weren’t actually causing trouble until the police stirred things up? The police deserved everything they got.

What on earth are you talking aboutAmberSpyglass? One officer has a punctured lung caused by being stamped on. Does he ‘deserve everything he got?’

I have been told that some of the thugs were heard boasting that they'd been paid by far-right groups. They themselves probably have little interest in politics but were up for a fight, especially if a large group of them were able to attack a much smaller group of police officers.

Their far-right paymasters were interested in getting peaceful protesters branded as violent and wanted dreadful scenes online and on tv, knowing that this would lead the Express, Sun, Daily Mail, Torygraph, etc to demand that even more stringent legislation is passed.

I agree with protests. The only problem is they often get hijacked by rioters who are only interested in violence.

The scumbags in Bristol were the lowest of the low and I hope those injured policemen/women are not too badly hurt.

Firecracker123

Actually it was Sisters Uncut the same group who hijacked Sarah Everard vigil who teamed up with anarchists. Sorry to disappoint you it wasn't far right supporters.

And your source for this is?

I don't think that anyone who thought for two minutes would blame far right supporters. The Policing bill isn't the sort of thing that would interest them, except to support it.

But I doubt if, even though they would support it, they would turn out in a counter demonstration to those who oppose it.

Actually it was Sisters Uncut the same group who hijacked Sarah Everard vigil who teamed up with anarchists. Sorry to disappoint you it wasn't far right supporters.

I don't think that many posters on this thread have actually read the OP.

I doubt if it was a 'rentamob'. I think it was an element that had had a few drinks, had nothing to do with the initial protest and thought that the title of the protest was literally to 'kill the bill'; i.e the 'old bill' aka the police. There are plenty of people at some level of society who would find that prospect enticing. I don't think they ever had the slightest bit of interest in the Policing bill. Probably didn't even know it existed.

Looking back on 50or so years of 'protests' I don't ever recall a mob behaving in quite such a violent and extreme fashion apart from in NI during 'the troubles'.

We're learning lessons about protests fast over this las couple of weeks I think.

varian

There is a strong belief in Bristol that some of the worst hooligans were "rentamob" and were actually paid to be there - not by BLM but by far right groups who want to see the bill passed.

Yes, I agree. This dreadful bill is proving unpopular even with the Tory backbenchers, and there is nothing like a riot to get the tabloids and their readers frothing at the mouth and calling for all the draconian restrictions that Patel is trying to force through to be implemented. Yes, the Bristol riots were dreadful, but I was very very impressed by the calm, articulate evaluation of the situation by the Mayor of Bristol. He described the mob as politically illiterate. As for Farage, what an opportunistic silly old man he is. Who cares what he thinks

15:34AmberSpyglass

Oh, you mean the peaceful protesters who weren’t actually causing trouble until the police stirred things up? The police deserved everything they got.

Are you for real what a nasty comment to make. So I suppose it was the police's fault the rent a mob of anarchists torched the police cars, sprayed Kill the Bill on walls stoned the police station, some even stood in front of the police pulled down their trousers and crapped on the floor, but in your eyes I suppose that was OK. Disgusting if you agree with that.

AmberSpyglass

Oh, you mean the peaceful protesters who weren’t actually causing trouble until the police stirred things up? The police deserved everything they got.

Did the police force the nice gentle folks to defecate on the steps of the Police Station?