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Scottish Election 6 weeks away.

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Granny23 Wed 24-Mar-21 15:30:21

Now that the brouhaha around Salmon has been resolved and become yesterdays chip paper, it is time to turn our thoughts to the forthcoming Scottish Election. As a life long supporter of the SNP and Independence movement, I am confident of a good outcome for us. With a failed vote of no 'confidence' in the First Minister, the latest opinion poll giving a 6 point lead to YES re Independence and a further 12,500 members joining the SNP in the past week there are 'reasons to be cheerful' and hope for a future free of the shackles of an incompetent/corrupt Westminster Government. For me the only current dilemma is whether I should vote SNP 1& 2 or give my list vote to the Greens.

It is probably wishful thinking but I hope any responses to this post will come only/mainly from those Grandsnetters who will be voting in this election.

FarNorth Fri 26-Mar-21 11:52:09

Even ISP voters, Alegrias1? What do you have against the ISP?

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 12:29:26

Nothing in particular FarNorth it was a turn of phrase. If I have offended anyone I apologise. I suppose I was thinking that votes for the ISP might split the vote for the SNP.

Aveline Fri 26-Mar-21 13:17:28

I do respect your opinion Alegrias although it surprises me. I've just read that 51% of Scots are in receipt of of some form of benefit but only 40% pay taxes at all.
I have no problem paying taxes if I have confidence in the government spending them. SNP govt? That's a no.

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 13:32:38

I understand that Aveline and I have no issue with people criticising the policies of any political party, or even making fun of them if they deserve it.

But telling voters for a particular party that they don't really understand what's going on is not acceptable. In my view.

About 2.5 million people pay income tax in Scotland, so about 46% I make it. 47% of people pay income tax across the whole UK so I'm not sure there's much of a story there. But even if there was, I'm happy to pay my tax for what we get as a society. You may not be, and that's OK too, we all have a choice in how we want the government to be run.

www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/factsheet/2018/12/scottish-income-tax-2019-2020/documents/analytical-note-on-impacts-on-income-levels-and-equality/analytical-note-on-impacts-on-income-levels-and-equality/govscot%3Adocument/Income%2BTax%2B-%2BDistributional%2BAnalysis%2B-%2BAnalytical%2BNote%2B-%2BFinal.pdf

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 14:21:57

The Alba party. Well, quelle surprise.

Kalu Fri 26-Mar-21 14:56:11

Thank you Lucca

Niobe Fri 26-Mar-21 15:02:27

Well that will makes things interesting! Two independence parties standing in the Scottish elections.

Kalu Fri 26-Mar-21 15:02:48

Alegrias1

The Alba party. Well, quelle surprise.

The egoist has landed!

Cathymac Fri 26-Mar-21 16:08:58

Aveline and Alegrias . I think probably the income received from income tax is interesting .
Scottish Government collected approximately £65 billion
Uk Government collected approximately £820 billion.

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 16:15:50

I'm not being obtuse Cathymac but £65 billion is about 8% of £820 billion and Scotland has about 8% of the UK population?

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 16:16:42

Niobe

Well that will makes things interesting! Two independence parties standing in the Scottish elections.

Five - SNO, ISP, Green Party, Scottish Socialists and now Alba. Maybe more, if anyone knows of any?

Aveline Fri 26-Mar-21 16:49:11

God help Scotland ?

FarNorth Fri 26-Mar-21 17:12:30

ISP is standing on the list only and I believe AFI and Alba are also. I don't know about others.
I hope not too many of them are on the same lists.

Aveline Fri 26-Mar-21 17:20:58

It's all going to be very confusing

varian Fri 26-Mar-21 18:16:25

n the next Scottish Parliament, Liberal Democrats will Put Recovery First. That means cutting waits for mental health, delivering a bounce back plan for education, more jobs and action on the climate.

So if you want to #PutRecoveryFirst then back the Scottish Liberal Democrats

twitter.com/willie_rennie/status/1375437841254248451?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Aveline Fri 26-Mar-21 18:23:42

I like Willie Rennie and the Lib Dems. I also like Anas Sarwar and the Labour Party and George Galloway's 'All for Unity party but with such a proliferation of other new small parties goodness knows what the best ones to vote for are. If people like Salmond or Galloway get elected the next session at Holyrood will be very exciting.
Except I don't want exciting. I want a smooth return to normal and a sound economic outlook underpinning all aspects of a better Scotland in the UK. Looks like that's just a dream with that lot battling it out.

varian Fri 26-Mar-21 18:56:16

Willie Rennie is very smooth Aveline

FarNorth Fri 26-Mar-21 19:00:46

Smooth? Doesn't sound to me like a compliment.

Marthjolly1 Fri 26-Mar-21 19:14:40

I would like so say it is unbelievable the size of one mans ego, but sadly for this man it is very, very believable. God help us.

Marthjolly1 Fri 26-Mar-21 19:19:07

I have much respect for Nicola Sturgeon as a politician but I do not agree with her party or politics. She has guided the country so well through the pandemic, faced all her recent challenges with such good grace and maturity. The SNP won't get my vote but I wish her well.

varian Fri 26-Mar-21 19:40:29

Nicola Sturgeon is a brilliant communicator but her record in government is far from brilliant

Aveline Fri 26-Mar-21 20:59:47

True Varian

Aveline Fri 26-Mar-21 21:07:59

Actually only the second part of your post is true. She puts herself forward at every opportunity but makes awful faces and sneers when asked questions she doesn't like. She appears to be very forgetful if asked awkward questions and withholds govt documents that contain uncomfortable truths. That only communicates that she's got things to hide.
This new election should concentrate minds however closed they currently might seem.

Cathymac Sat 27-Mar-21 12:22:04

I posted too soon yesterday and did not have time to come back to finish my post . The figures I gave are approximately total tax .. not just income tax
But we have to look at our outgoings
2020... public spending per person in Scotland is 17% above the U.k. average
England is 3 % below the U.K average
Scotland’s deficit has risen to nearly £2000 per person to become nearly 3 times larger than the UK as a whole
If we become independent we will need to address these issues what will we give up ? Free baby boxes ? Free prescriptions ? Free bus passes ? Or pay more tax and already we have higher tax than England on some bands . The Institute for Fiscal studies says Scotland would face an extra 10 years of austerity which would leave Scotland’s weak public finances facing continued cost cutting. We have to be honest and admit that independence comes with a huge cost . But for some people it might seem worth it .

Aveline Sat 27-Mar-21 20:21:32

It's very depressing that people just don't seem to grasp that Cathymac.
I was lucky enough to be at a private Q&A with Andrew Marr last week. He thinks that if we did vote for independence politicians, journalists, civil servants, NHS staff and lawyers would do fine. The people who would lose out and be hit hardest by the necessary economic restrictions would be the very people who just vote emotionally and who are currently our poorest. Also, businesses would just decamp across the border as continuity of trade would be so much more straightforward. Capital flight would follow so there would be far fewer people to pay the necessarily greatly increased taxes.
Cutting off Scottish noses to spite their faces springs to mind.