David Cameron and the Greenhill scandal

Polarbear2

I do think, whatever colour your vote, you must admit this lot are the worst ever for corruption. There’s nothing wrong with admitting it and let’s be fair, if he goes it’ll be the Tory members who give us a new PM. We need them to get as angry as the rest of us.

With a very few honourable exceptions, the right of centre posters on here (and people outside of GN) will just use the excuse that everyone’s at it , nothing to see here, move along. However, should a story emerge involving someone from the shadow cabinet, there will be much huffing and puffing. What’s also sad is that clearly some posters don’t even realise that some rules ( albeit not as good as they should be) already exist. I suppose you can’t be shocked at rule breaking if you didn’t know there was a rule in the first place.

I think that regardless of political affinity, we need to call out every politician who has broken the law or parliamentary rules and demand either their resignation or that they are disciplined.

I do think that we are entitled to expect a certain level of behaviour by our law makers. I suspect that most on GN would have no problem keeping to this standard.

We can’t let this state of affairs carry on.

But the plan all along has been to replace Johnson (who has served his purpose) with Gove so it won’t be much better anyway.

I do think, whatever colour your vote, you must admit this lot are the worst ever for corruption. There’s nothing wrong with admitting it and let’s be fair, if he goes it’ll be the Tory members who give us a new PM. We need them to get as angry as the rest of us.

I've just looked it up it is utterly shocking!

To stop the witness giving evidence that is - I suppose Putin would have had him poisoned and a S.American general would have had him thrown out of a plane.

JaneJudge

Whitewavemark2

On an unrelated topic, but still with the rules being broken.

Patel has been found guilty of breaking human rights law in the immigrant detention centre.

Nothing will be done about it.

Is this Yarl's Wood? what actually goes on there?

I agree with the poster who said hardly anyone goes into politics to serve their communities anymore. It seems to start at very low level, definitely town council level. here we seem to have a few indie councillors who pull the rest up but it must be exhausting. But I am worried too, I find it difficult to comprehend that people don't question what they are being told.

The case behind this ruling is utterly chilling - wanting to deport a witness to a death under investigation, the inquest of which finally revealed appalling medical neglect.

mercedez

I think all members of parliament and civil servants should declare outside paid work/jobs. It can’t just be a conservative issue. They didn’t get any money so it didn’t make any difference Cameron lobbying did it? Who wouldn’t ask a friend for a favour?

They are supposed to declare such things. And it really isn’t the point as to whether any lobbying is successful is it, it’s about probity and transparency and fairness. Cameron stood to make I think £20m if Greensill hadn’t gone belly up. The idea that an ex-PM lobbying is just like any of our friends asking a mate if they can give us a lift to Tescos ???????

I think all members of parliament and civil servants should declare outside paid work/jobs. It can’t just be a conservative issue. They didn’t get any money so it didn’t make any difference Cameron lobbying did it? Who wouldn’t ask a friend for a favour?

Whitewavemark2

On an unrelated topic, but still with the rules being broken.

Patel has been found guilty of breaking human rights law in the immigrant detention centre.

Nothing will be done about it.

Is this Yarl's Wood? what actually goes on there?

I agree with the poster who said hardly anyone goes into politics to serve their communities anymore. It seems to start at very low level, definitely town council level. here we seem to have a few indie councillors who pull the rest up but it must be exhausting. But I am worried too, I find it difficult to comprehend that people don't question what they are being told.

Ministers have been lying with impunity.

It is time they were stopped and held to account.

But they won’t be will they?

Whitewavemark2

What is interesting is that Johnson is being expose as a liar and corrupt in the mainstream press in America, Italy, France, Germany, Denmark, and Spain amongst others, but our docile press just keep nodding along.

If there was no such thing as social media we would not have such access to what others think. It certainly has its uses.

But even the blessed Laura ( no 10s seconded correspondent to the BBC) is being quite critical of Johnson’s handling of this - her view (fwiw) is that with several enquiries springing up ( and unlike Johnson’s whitewash attempt) happening in public, the issue will run and run and there is much more to come out.

What is interesting is that Johnson is being expose as a liar and corrupt in the mainstream press in America, Italy, France, Germany, Denmark, and Spain amongst others, but our docile press just keep nodding along.

If there was no such thing as social media we would not have such access to what others think. It certainly has its uses.

Johnson must be quite pleased as attention has refocused onto Cameron and Hancock and away from Acuri (judge ruled he has a case to answer, but doesn’t seem to be doing much answering) and the vast amount of money spent on the No 10 flat amongst other things.

Anyone like to bet that something will be done about it?

Flouted not floured( but same effect?)

mokryna

Some people have to sign, when they leave a global or local companies, that they will not work or contact others in the same business, for a specific period, a year or so. This stops insider knowledge or clients being lost. This could be applied to ministers, true they would lose income but so do others in the real world.

There are all sorts sf rules that apply already to ministers and civil servants - it’s just they are ignored/floured/ circumvented / not good enough in the first place.

Some people have to sign, when they leave a global or local companies, that they will not work or contact others in the same business, for a specific period, a year or so. This stops insider knowledge or clients being lost. This could be applied to ministers, true they would lose income but so do others in the real world.

trisher

The doubtful dealings Cameron was part of have long been known about. Watch Dennis Skinner as he questions him about money and refers to him as "Dodgy Dave." He was suspended for it, but really it was so true.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc

Oh that was brilliant. Those were the days. Ah nostalgia.

Ludicrous situation that 90% lobbyists unaccountable. We need to know who is trying to influence public life and gain access to public funds. There are No sanctions for misconduct.

it is just so annoying to see all these things going on and absolutely nothing being done about it.

The Good Law Project is dong its best to 'do something about it', Eloethan. They are taking the government to judicial review over a number of matters.

They've already had a few successes. Have a look at their website

goodlawproject.org/

It is appalling that this seems to be the only way that the government can be held to account at the moment because they just cock a snook at the conventional methods. They have emasculated Parliament, ignore conventions such as the Nolan Principles and the Ministerial code, and most of the MSM ignore or barely report any wrongdoing (though I've noticed a bit of a change lately) The opposition tries, but with huge majority of nodding dogs in the House of Commons, the government can do just about anything it pleases with no comeback.

The court of Denmark

On an unrelated topic, but still with the rules being broken.

Patel has been found guilty of breaking human rights law in the immigrant detention centre.

Nothing will be done about it.

It's just example after example of ineptitude and questionable behaviour, possibly corruption - PPE handed out willy nilly to pals, prime minister and his relationship with Arcuri and the benefits it provided her, and now the Greensill proposed inquiry has been voted down.

I am starting to think that ignorance must be bliss - it is just so annoying to see all these things going on and absolutely nothing being done about it. And even more annoying that so many people just shrug their shoulders and say it's inevitable.

The doubtful dealings Cameron was part of have long been known about. Watch Dennis Skinner as he questions him about money and refers to him as "Dodgy Dave." He was suspended for it, but really it was so true.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvIUa47x_Oc

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_scandals_in_the_United_Kingdom

Sadly there's been a fair few over the years, not all Tory but I can't help thinking that this lot take some beating!