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The Queen and dedication to duty in the 21st Century

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Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 13:19:02

Does dedication to duty overwhelm any other consideration when it comes to being Head of State?

Why can a person stay in post, with all the deference that entails, when someone else is doing all the "work"?

Is anyone else worried that a 95 year old lady believes she has to keep on keeping on when many, many other monarchs have moved on in life and their countries haven't crumbled?

Grany Thu 22-Apr-21 09:13:13

Has anyone thought about how much money this family is given?
Firstly queen made sure the Lancaster Duchy was not included in the 70s when government was deciding civil list funding.

And George Osbourne from Cameron's dodgy Dave cabinet decided to give a very generous amount to Queen in a Sovereign Grant he included a golden rachet clause, which means that the funding can never go down always up. How is this fair? It currently stands at 84 million.

Charles pockets over 20 million a year from the Duchy of Cornwall its all take take take does not allow tennents to buy their land. Does not maintain Duchy roads. He does not pay corporation or capital gains tax despite it being a billion pound conglomerate giving him an unfair advantage. How is he allowed to get away with this?

So you see the Royals are getting more than their fair share.

The RF spend public money day in day out week in week out on expensive transport on their various interests nothing is ever said about this waste of money. They do have lots of leisure time as the Royal visits don't take up much of their year.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

BlueSky Thu 22-Apr-21 09:10:37

She might start to feel different now without Prince Philip, her ‘rock’. She might leave more and more to Prince Charles and the rest of the family. But I don’t think she’ll formally abdicate unless forced by ill health, or maybe not even then.

Shropshirelass Thu 22-Apr-21 09:03:14

I think the Queen should ease off a little now and let Charles do more. I do not think she should abdicate and should remain the Queen until her death when Charles can then become King. It would be sad after being so strong and being such a wonderful monarch for her to give up and hand over the reins. She is mobile (walks very well without any help) very compus mentis and still doing her job, why not carry on if that is what she wants to do.

Bridgeit Thu 22-Apr-21 08:59:29

Was that a Joke ? If not No it is not possible that she stays because she doesn’t think Charles is up to the job..... it doesn’t work like that .

Anniebach Thu 22-Apr-21 08:57:21

I said ‘I don’t think’, meaning it’s my opinion.

jacqrose Thu 22-Apr-21 08:53:05

We've all said things and then changed our minds. None of us can be sure what her motives for continuing are.

Anniebach Thu 22-Apr-21 08:31:46

I don’t think she needs encouragement to stay, she has said
all her life and I don’t think she will go back on that promise.

jacqrose Thu 22-Apr-21 08:23:03

Ellianne

Ooops reins, although reign is closer!

smile
Also it's possible that her advisers have encouraged her to stay or perhaps Charles thinks he has more influence as PoW rather than king.

Ellianne Thu 22-Apr-21 07:11:30

Ooops reins, although reign is closer!

Ellianne Thu 22-Apr-21 07:09:52

jacqrose

Is it possible that the queen has stayed in the post all these years because she doesn’t think Charles is up to the job

That's a sad thought.
I would be so proud to see my son take over the reigns before I died.

vegansrock Thu 22-Apr-21 06:10:41

She will always be able to do the job until she dies as the job is to exist. Others can do the waving and holding banquets, that’s just the incidentals, she will still be Queen. That’s why the notion of the monarch as some sort of deity is totally ridiculous in the 21st century.

Lucca Thu 22-Apr-21 05:57:54

I don’t have anything against the queen per se but what am I meant to be grateful for? All this talk of serving etc in what way has having a queen made a difference to my life ? The scientists who created vaccines to protect me, yes I’m grateful to them for example.
I’m not a rabid republican these are just 6 a.m. thoughts !

Galaxy Wed 21-Apr-21 22:46:46

It's not ungrateful to hold a different opinion about things.

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 22:45:19

No.
As she said, age 21:
"I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong."

She probably never imagined that she would still be serving such an ungrateful lot of people all these years later.

jacqrose Wed 21-Apr-21 22:36:58

Is it possible that the queen has stayed in the post all these years because she doesn’t think Charles is up to the job

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 22:25:25

Should something be changed or abolished because of people's ignorance?

NoddingGanGan Wed 21-Apr-21 22:23:59

I'm an out and out republican but honestly can't believe some of the remarks on here. It's not a job in the way that most people have jobs. A monarch doesn't retire! The very fact that so many of you view it as such only proves the point that monarchy is outdated and should be scrapped. To water it down to the level of, "a job" makes a total mockery of what monarchy was perceived to be throughout history. Time to axe the institution.

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 19:44:20

Reign Definition:
to hold office as chief of state although possessing little governing power, the sovereign reigns but does not rule.

Jabberwok Wed 21-Apr-21 19:41:47

She doesn't rule, as she's a constitutional monarch she reigns, there's a difference.

CarrieAnn Wed 21-Apr-21 18:50:55

She is God's anointed she was anointed at her Coronation. Why shouldn't she carry on ruling the country,it's what she was brought up to do.She's such a strong,sensible woman and if she felt that she wasn't capable of carrying on the role she would stand back and let Charles take over

Jabberwok Wed 21-Apr-21 17:33:47

That's as maybe, but the Queen has a deep religious faith and certainly took her coronation oath seriously as has been demonstrated over the years, as did her father before her. A lot of us would certainly respect that, some people even have a Christian faith too even in this day and age, even some of those of us who have lapsed would be loathe to disrespect the faith. I certainly would.

Galaxy Wed 21-Apr-21 17:19:36

Only if you believe jabberwork. If you dont that is meaningless.

Jabberwok Wed 21-Apr-21 17:17:29

Indeed not, the less said about these two monarchs the better.
The Queen has been consecrated by the then Archbishop of C in the eyes of God, which is as solomn as you get, as Queen. The Divine right of Kings is a completely different concept, all to do with ruling and governing, neither of which she does. She reigns but does not rule. No monarch has ruled since James 11nd.

nananet01 Wed 21-Apr-21 17:16:16

I get the point, however what concerns me is our Queen has lived a life of service to her country, at this age I'm not sure how she could/would adjust to the huge changes to her role if she 'retired'. Had Prince Philip been there beside her in retirement it would be different. It's all so very sad. I do however forsee many changes coming.

Pantglas2 Wed 21-Apr-21 17:05:37

Alegrias1

Spain - Juan Carlos abdicated in 2014.

Belgium - Albert II abdicated in 2013.

But they're foreign so obviously we don't have to behave like them.

I do hope our Queen has never behaved like those two particular foreigners- check them out...