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The Queen and dedication to duty in the 21st Century

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Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 13:19:02

Does dedication to duty overwhelm any other consideration when it comes to being Head of State?

Why can a person stay in post, with all the deference that entails, when someone else is doing all the "work"?

Is anyone else worried that a 95 year old lady believes she has to keep on keeping on when many, many other monarchs have moved on in life and their countries haven't crumbled?

Alegrias1 Wed 21-Apr-21 15:39:09

Can I just draw attention to the second question in my OP?

Why can a person stay in post, with all the deference that entails, when someone else is doing all the "work"?

Several posters have said that other royals will take over some of her duties as she ages. I am asking if it is right to continue as Queen if you can't carry out the requirements of the post any more.

So that's not ageist, its about whether she should still be Queen if she can't do the job. Some people think that's OK, and that's a perfectly acceptable opinion.

Like Galaxy says, we're allowed to question things, it's not a fascist state we live in.

Ellianne Wed 21-Apr-21 15:43:07

I'm sure I have read lots of reports of how proud George V1 was of his daughter - her efforts during the war, her marriage, her trips abroad on his behalf etc. That kind of prepared the way for Elizabeth to take over as Queen and made people feel in safe hands.
Maybe the Queen herself has been less vocal in praising her first born son and has not elevated him enough to the position he is about to take on. Unintentionally she herself has opened the gates to more questioning about the future of the monarchy and its protagonists. I'm not so sure it is because she wants to protect Charles from criticism, but I do find it a bit strange.

readalot Wed 21-Apr-21 16:25:19

Because they can't afford to stop

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 16:46:54

she could join the local WI (I believe she is Patron)

She is a WI member and goes to meetings AlanaV.
I'm sure away from Royal duties and cameras she has managed to live a normal life- the one she would have liked to live full-time were it not for her dedication to her duty.

She has already relinquished most of her duties and will relinquish more.
There is an Act called The Regency Act which could be brought in.

Daisend1 Wed 21-Apr-21 16:47:08

Whitewavemark2 *
Quote She certainly believes she is God's anointed. ??
Or in the words of Carly Simon ?*Nobody does it better*
Elizabeth 11 will in my opinion be a hard act to follow

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 16:48:03

readalot

Because they can't afford to stop

That's just daft!!
?

SueDonim Wed 21-Apr-21 16:52:23

Some of her duties are now shared out, Alegrias, so I’m not sure we can split the crown so everyone has one! I assume she still has oversight of what they do on her behalf. She’s only 18mths older than my mum and if she’s anything like my mum, no one will get anything past her. In fact, my mum could job-share with her, although mum’s not so good at holding back on her opinions as the Queen. grin

Whatdayisit Wed 21-Apr-21 16:55:57

The Queen and Prince Phillip were by far my favourite characters in The Crown!

seamstress Wed 21-Apr-21 16:58:52

When the Queen has dropped off the perch and Charles takes over I think the monarch will drop down the popularity charts. A visit from Charles in a suit will be much less newsworthy than the Queen who I admire most for her always wearing bright blocky colours and standing out in a crowd.

Jabberwok Wed 21-Apr-21 16:59:42

The Queen can trace back to medieval times. Yes it is true that she traces back to James V1th and 1st, back through to James 1Vth. His wife was Margaret Tudor, Henry V111th sister, her mother was Elizabeth of York, father Edward 1Vth , (war of the roses) back through to Edward 111rd, female line and so on, back to the Conquerer .
Of course you can stay Queen whether you fire on all four cylinders or only one , George 111rd certainly did as did Victoria she they became elderly. Just because you are old doesn't mean you cease to be who you are! Who would make that judgement?

Pantglas2 Wed 21-Apr-21 17:05:37

Alegrias1

Spain - Juan Carlos abdicated in 2014.

Belgium - Albert II abdicated in 2013.

But they're foreign so obviously we don't have to behave like them.

I do hope our Queen has never behaved like those two particular foreigners- check them out...

nananet01 Wed 21-Apr-21 17:16:16

I get the point, however what concerns me is our Queen has lived a life of service to her country, at this age I'm not sure how she could/would adjust to the huge changes to her role if she 'retired'. Had Prince Philip been there beside her in retirement it would be different. It's all so very sad. I do however forsee many changes coming.

Jabberwok Wed 21-Apr-21 17:17:29

Indeed not, the less said about these two monarchs the better.
The Queen has been consecrated by the then Archbishop of C in the eyes of God, which is as solomn as you get, as Queen. The Divine right of Kings is a completely different concept, all to do with ruling and governing, neither of which she does. She reigns but does not rule. No monarch has ruled since James 11nd.

Galaxy Wed 21-Apr-21 17:19:36

Only if you believe jabberwork. If you dont that is meaningless.

Jabberwok Wed 21-Apr-21 17:33:47

That's as maybe, but the Queen has a deep religious faith and certainly took her coronation oath seriously as has been demonstrated over the years, as did her father before her. A lot of us would certainly respect that, some people even have a Christian faith too even in this day and age, even some of those of us who have lapsed would be loathe to disrespect the faith. I certainly would.

CarrieAnn Wed 21-Apr-21 18:50:55

She is God's anointed she was anointed at her Coronation. Why shouldn't she carry on ruling the country,it's what she was brought up to do.She's such a strong,sensible woman and if she felt that she wasn't capable of carrying on the role she would stand back and let Charles take over

Jabberwok Wed 21-Apr-21 19:41:47

She doesn't rule, as she's a constitutional monarch she reigns, there's a difference.

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 19:44:20

Reign Definition:
to hold office as chief of state although possessing little governing power, the sovereign reigns but does not rule.

NoddingGanGan Wed 21-Apr-21 22:23:59

I'm an out and out republican but honestly can't believe some of the remarks on here. It's not a job in the way that most people have jobs. A monarch doesn't retire! The very fact that so many of you view it as such only proves the point that monarchy is outdated and should be scrapped. To water it down to the level of, "a job" makes a total mockery of what monarchy was perceived to be throughout history. Time to axe the institution.

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 22:25:25

Should something be changed or abolished because of people's ignorance?

jacqrose Wed 21-Apr-21 22:36:58

Is it possible that the queen has stayed in the post all these years because she doesn’t think Charles is up to the job

Callistemon Wed 21-Apr-21 22:45:19

No.
As she said, age 21:
"I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong."

She probably never imagined that she would still be serving such an ungrateful lot of people all these years later.

Galaxy Wed 21-Apr-21 22:46:46

It's not ungrateful to hold a different opinion about things.

Lucca Thu 22-Apr-21 05:57:54

I don’t have anything against the queen per se but what am I meant to be grateful for? All this talk of serving etc in what way has having a queen made a difference to my life ? The scientists who created vaccines to protect me, yes I’m grateful to them for example.
I’m not a rabid republican these are just 6 a.m. thoughts !

vegansrock Thu 22-Apr-21 06:10:41

She will always be able to do the job until she dies as the job is to exist. Others can do the waving and holding banquets, that’s just the incidentals, she will still be Queen. That’s why the notion of the monarch as some sort of deity is totally ridiculous in the 21st century.